Israel vs. Palestine

[Taylor]

I know not all of you are Christians, but if you are, you need to read this interview. It's with a pastor and Fuller Seminary grad who currently leads a church in Jordan and has been part of relief efforts for people affected by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 

 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/august-web-only/hamas-israel-conflict-gaza-christians.html?start=1

[Blarg]

http://israelhasbeenrocketfreefor.com/

Edited August 24, 2014 by Eric Notti

[UndertheHalo]

I know not all of you are Christians, but if you are, you need to read this interview. It's with a pastor and Fuller Seminary grad who currently leads a church in Jordan and has been part of relief efforts for people affected by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 

 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/august-web-only/hamas-israel-conflict-gaza-christians.html?start=1

good read Taylor, its refreshing to read about how this guy is keeping hate out of his heart. 

[Blarg]

http://israelhasbeenrocketfreefor.com/

 

Looks like Hamas gave Israel a 9 hour reprieve from rocket attacks but started firing at midnight Gaza time.

[nate]

They wait until everyone is asleep so they can maximize the number of women and children they get.

[InsideThePark]

Which is usually 0 thanks to Israel's Iron Dome system. Hamas plays dirty but let's not forget that Israel has had quite a few strikes during the sleeping hours, killing many women and children.

[nate]

Israel targets military targets, Hamas targets civilians.

 

I hope you can tell the difference.

[InsideThePark]

If you're looking at me to defend Hamas, that's just not going to happen. But don't be blind to the fact that Israel has fired indiscriminately. They've hit several UN schools despite being told repeatedly not a fire in that area. They know full well that mortar fire can't have pinpoint accuracy but that doesn't stop them. Even the US who takes Israel's side on everything stressed that Israel should have done more to protect civilian life.

[nate]

Israel always targets military.  There are collateral damages.

 

People saying Israel should leave Hamas alone would be like others telling the US to leave the Taliban alone if they attacked the US every day for the last three decades.

[InsideThePark]

The point is that some of the civilian casualties should have been avoided. I completely agree with your last statement though... they have every right to defend themselves.

[Tank]

The point is that some of the civilian casualties should have been avoided. I completely agree with your last statement though... they have every right to defend themselves.

 

if hamas is hiding around civilians, which is not unusual for them to do, it's kind of difficult to avoid collateral damage. 

[NrM]

If you're looking at me to defend Hamas, that's just not going to happen. But don't be blind to the fact that Israel has fired indiscriminately. They've hit several UN schools despite being told repeatedly not a fire in that area. They know full well that mortar fire can't have pinpoint accuracy but that doesn't stop them. Even the US who takes Israel's side on everything stressed that Israel should have done more to protect civilian life.

 

But this is all because of Hamas. You can't blame Israel when every country would do the same.

 

There is absolutely nothing Hamas has to gain outside of Palestinian deaths and public sympathy. This is exactly what Hamas wants. The more Palestinians get killed, the more sympathy they get.

 

Tell me Hamas doesn't want innocent Palestinians killed at the hands of Israel.. That Hamas doesn't want their hospitals and schools bombed.

I don't think you believe those things, but by blaming Israel, you are defending Hamas.

Edited August 25, 2014 by Poozy

[AngelsLongBall]

While apples and oranges, if the US were getting struck everyday by rockets from the Mexican drug cartels, I have zero doubt in my mind that most of northern Mexico would get flattened

[NrM]

While apples and oranges, if the US were getting struck everyday by rockets from the Mexican drug cartels, I have zero doubt in my mind that most of northern Mexico would get flattened

 

Or how about you reverse the scenario.

 

What if our military was firing rockets into another country for the sole purpose of innocent US civilians getting killed to make the other country look bad. 

How long do you think the elected leaders would last?

Edited August 25, 2014 by Poozy

[InsideThePark]

if hamas is hiding around civilians, which is not unusual for them to do, it's kind of difficult to avoid collateral damage.

I was only referring to the casualties in which israel hit UN schools, which were supposed to be safe zones. Even the White House condemned Israel for those strikes, which is something they almost never do.

And relax Pooz... by that logic, you could say that the US defends Hamas too since they had the same criticism. Overall I don't place any blame on Israel for retaliating.

[NrM]

w/e.. i keep telling myself I'm going to take a break from this thread, but I keep getting pulled back in.

maybe I'll pull an AO and selfban myself from Politics for a couple weeks.

Edited August 25, 2014 by Poozy

[arch stanton]

So both sides dig in and claim victimhood while the Palestinian people get pummeled. The Israeli hawks love this just as much as Hamas because it allows them to play innocent while they slowly choke the life out of 1.8 million inconvenient truths. If you can't admit that then this conversation is going nowhere.

[nate]

I think that Israel would love the Palestinian military to stop firing rockets at their people. Then this whole thing would end.

It will never happen though because the Palestinian military is hell bent on destroying Israel.

I think Israel should go into a full blown assault and completely wipe out all of Hamas and their supporters

[arch stanton]

Do you accept that Palestine has a right to exist?

[nate]

Of course they do.  Nobody disputes that.  Israel doesn't dispute that and never has.

 

Where Israel has a problem is when Palestine's military lobs rockets at them daily.

[arch stanton]

If they were really threatened by the rockets they would go in and stop the attacks. As it is it's a wonderful excuse to force them into subhuman conditions. I'm beginning to think the end game here is to force the Palestinians out of Gaza for good.

[nate]

You forget that the whole reason they are in Gaza is before that they were walking into crowded public areas and blowing themselves up.

[arch stanton]

They?

[nate]

Palestinian rebels

 

How else do you defend your country without creating secure borders?

Edited August 25, 2014 by nate

[arch stanton]

I'm an American so i wouldn't know.