Pitching Staff 2014

[Mark68]

Not sure where you're going with this.  I think everyone agrees whoever the Angels acquire, it can't cost them their first round draft pick.  

Which is why Garza's name keeps getting thrown around. He won't cost a pick because he was traded. I'm not that high on him, but who knows?

[tdawg87]

Garza would be ok on like a 3 year deal. Unfortunately he will get 5 years. If the Angels are going to spend a bunch of money on a starter, I'd rather they go all out on Tanaka. I can't see him being much worse than Garza in 2014 and given his age it's likely to be a better investment in the long run.

[Angel Oracle]

Tanaka >>>> hot head Garza.

[AngelsLakersFan]

This team really isn't even close to having a competitive pitching staff. Aside from weaver and Wilson, it's a squad full of has beens and never weres. The bullpen is beyond horrible, the starting rotation is shaky at best and aging. People are fooling themselves if they think it's going to be fixed in one offseason or one trade.

 

True, but I can still see this team winning 88 games, making the playoffs, and once you're in anything can happen. No way they are favorites, or the best, but you don't always have to be.

[Hollyw00d]

We also might want to turn to the D-Backs as a trade partner. They have Cahill, McCarthy, Delgado, Skaggs, Corbin, Daniel Hudson, and Archie Bradley. 

 

 

I'm interested in Cahill, I think he could do pretty well here.   Be at least a solid #4 type guy with upside

[HaloCory22]

I'm interested in Cahill, I think he could do pretty well here.   Be at least a solid #4 type guy with upside

He always dominated us. Especially at the Big A. I'm sure he would be great here.

[Mark68]

He always dominated us. Especially at the Big A. I'm sure he would be great here.

Except...well...Butcher...

[Stradling]

I wouldn't mind bringing in Cahill if it doesn't cost much going back to Az in return.

[VariousCrap]

It is obvious reading this thread that the majority of us want the Angels to sign Tanaka; however this is not going to be easy.  Several teams with money have stated they are interested in him.  Tanaka must be Plan A for the Angels, but what happens if the Angels are outbid?  They must have a Plan B, C, etc. to make sure this team is ready for 2014.  Due to the fact Garza won't cost a draft pick, he needs to be Plan B.

[NrM]

It is obvious reading this thread that the majority of us want the Angels to sign Tanaka; however this is not going to be easy.  Several teams with money have stated they are interested in him.  Tanaka must be Plan A for the Angels, but what happens if the Angels are outbid?  They must have a Plan B, C, etc. to make sure this team is ready for 2014.  Due to the fact Garza won't cost a draft pick, he needs to be Plan B.

Tanaka should be plan A B C D

 

There's no excuse for them not being the highest bidder for the posting fee.

It wont effect the angels payroll at all so they will stay away from the luxury tax and they wont lose a pick. It's a win win for the Angels. There's no team in baseball with more money that needs Tanaka the most. 

Edited October 22, 2013 by Poozy

[VariousCrap]

Tanaka should be plan A B C D

 

It wont effect the angels payroll at all so they will stay away from the luxury tax and they wont lose a pick. It's a win win for the Angels. There's no team in baseball with more money that needs Tanaka the most. 

 

 

I completely agree that the Angels need Tanaka and that is the signing I am hoping for the most, but you can't think the way you are.  You have to have various plans in place in case you get outbid.

 

For example, the Yankees have as much, if not more money than the Angels and they have said Tanaka is their first choice to improve their rotation.

 

When one of the other teams bidding for Tanaka is going to be the Yanks, you better have other plans.

[Angel Oracle]

Plan A = Tanaka

Plan B = trade one or two of Kendrick, Bourjos, and Trumbo for a solid middle of rotation guy (#3/#4 spots).

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Plan F = Garza (not that great for the Rangers with a -0.1 WAR, and attitude issues potentially)

Edited October 22, 2013 by Angel Oracle

[Troll Daddy]

I agree with Tanaka only if you can get him signed early in the off season. I'm not a fan of putting all your eggs in one basket.

 

 

Example: Greinke

[Angel Oracle]

Oh, and Dipoto, NO MORE SIGNING BLANTON TYPES EARLY IN THE PROCESS, when they will likely still be available in February for half of the original price.

[VariousCrap]

Plan A = Tanaka

Plan B = trade one or two of Kendrick, Bourjos, and Trumbo for a solid middle of rotation guy (#3/#4 spots).

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Plan F = Garza (not that great for the Rangers with a -0.1 WAR, and attitude issues potentially)

 

 

Your Plan B would be my Plan C (My Plan B: Garza).  The reason why, I don't think Howie, Bourjos and/or Trumbo will get the Angels a solid #3 type of pitcher.

 

The Garza attitude problem thing is bogus and my hope is his so-so performance for the Rangers lowers his value a bit and takes the Rangers out of the bidding for him.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Jim B

[Mark68]

Don't worry. Plan A is Phil Hughes.

[Angel Oracle]

Phil Hughes is the 2014 Joe Blanton.

[Angel Oracle]

Your Plan B would be my Plan C (My Plan B: Garza).  The reason why, I don't think Howie, Bourjos and/or Trumbo will get the Angels a solid #3 type of pitcher.

 

The Garza attitude problem thing is bogus and my hope is his so-so performance for the Rangers lowers his value a bit and takes the Rangers out of the bidding for him.

Thinking that a return to his home state (Fresno St. alum) maybe helps him to get back on target?

[YouthofToday]

Pirates aren't trading Taillon to the Angels for Trumbo and "prospects".

[Stradling]

Lance Lynn looks pretty good tonight...

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Normally I'd be really happy to take a flier on a guy like Carp.  However, since we are so stinking bad at pitching and we have been burned "taking a flier" this season I would concentrate more on bringing in more healthy arms.

 

Fliers are fine when you're trying to build depth, not so fine when you're trying to build a rotation. Counting on guys who have been injured to carry the club sounds like a repeat of 2013.

Edited October 28, 2013 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Angel Oracle]

Fliers are fine when you're trying to build depth, not so fine when you're trying to build a rotation. Counting on guys who have been injured to carry the club sounds like a repeat of 2013.

Agreed, I'd take Williams over any of those guys for the #5 spot.

[Chris]

I'm fine with Richards in the rotation, maybe # 4.  So we would have Weaver, Wilson, (blank), Richards, (blank).

 

I'd be fine with bringing Vargas back at #3.

[VariousCrap]

Vargas is a #4 at best and Richards is a #5 at this time.  Richards may end up being better than a #5, but this is no guarantee.  If your team's rotation has Vargas as their #3, you are in trouble.

 

Weaver, Wilson, (blank), Vargas, Richards

 

 

The Angels need a solid #2/#3 type of pitcher for that #3 spot.

[tdawg87]

Vargas is a decent number 3 if he pitches like he did in 2012. I'd rather not take the chance though. Richards is perfect for the 5th spot because it is pretty much unknown what he can do over a full season of starts but he has the potential to be a solid number 3 guy. He has options still so if he is sucking badly he can be replaced fairly easily.

I'd love for the Royals to make Shields available but my guess is if they do they'll want prospects up the butt.