Why do people hate A-Rod?

[sneaky_flute]

hgh does not improve your performance. you won't find any scientific studies showing that either. it can actually decrease performance and stamina.

[nate]

HGH improves your recovery from workouts allowing you to workout more frequently.  It is a PED.  You should really quit while you are behind.

[sneaky_flute]

HGH improves your recovery from workouts allowing you to workout more frequently.  It is a PED.  You should really quit while you are behind.

NO IT DOESN'T. you don't actually know what growth hormone does, do you? almost every study you'll find shows that it doesn't increase exercise capacity or muscle mass.

[Lifetime]

I added sneaky_flute to my ignore list a few months back, but click "view it anyway" from time to time.  

 

Homey is either a troll, or the stupidest moron on the board.  

Or... Both? 

[Lhalo]

Good article by Doug Glanville.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9535025/what-learn-alex-rodriguez-story

[nate]

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/growth-hormone/HA00030

 

injections of human growth hormone can:

Increase bone density
Increase muscle mass
Decrease body fat
Increase exercise capacity

 

So basically sneaky_flute, as we already knew... you have no clue what the **** you are talking about.

[Lhalo]

Lulz. Awesome.

[nate]

Also, I haven't read anywhere that Cruz was injected with HGH and not an anabolic steroid.

[sneaky_flute]

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/growth-hormone/HA00030

 

injections of human growth hormone can:

Increase bone density

Increase muscle mass

Decrease body fat

Increase exercise capacity

 

So basically sneaky_flute, as we already knew... you have no clue what the **** you are talking about.

you conveniently left out "what can growth hormone do for otherwise healthy adults?" i suggest you read some peer-reviewed journals about growth hormone.

[Lifetime]

I suggest you read them sneaky, slowly, very slowly. 

[sneaky_flute]

I suggest you read them sneaky, slowly, very slowly. 

i've read several studies that show growth hormone doesn't improve athlete performance.

[Lifetime]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/205497691.html

[markb]

I think sneaky_flute is getting unjustifiably dogpiled on here.  

 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/growth-hormone/HA00030

 

injections of human growth hormone can:

Increase bone density
Increase muscle mass
Decrease body fat
Increase exercise capacity

 

So basically sneaky_flute, as we already knew... you have no clue what the **** you are talking about.

 

You deleted the first half of a sentence there.   "For adults who have a growth hormone deficiency, injections of human growth hormone can:"

 

And the next section that followed what you posted:

 

"What can human growth hormone do for otherwise healthy adults?

Studies of healthy adults taking human growth hormone are limited. Although it appears that human growth hormone injections can increase muscle mass and reduce the amount of body fat in healthy older adults, the increase in muscle doesn't translate into increased strength. It isn't clear if human growth hormone may provide other benefits to healthy adults."

 

A few years ago, Dr. Andrew Hoffman at Stanford did a presentation showing how weak the research was up to that point:  

http://www.cme.hsc.usf.edu/growthladder/presentations/files/13%20Growth%20Hormone%20and%20Sports-%20AH.pdf

In 2010 a more complete study was done that demonstrated an increase in sprinting performance, but no change in power, strength, or endurance.  That study was cited in Lifetime's article.  http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100504/HGH-improves-athletic-performance-Study.aspx

 

The jist of it is that HGH research is still pretty sparse at this point, but all that's really been proven is that it improves one aspect of athletic performance, while not impacting most others, and carries some nasty side effects (joint pain, etc.)  One thing I found really interesting from the 2010 study though:

 

"Sprint capacity returned to normal six weeks after participants stopped receiving injections."

 

Which reminds me of Ryan Madson bringing up the question earlier in the season about whether HGH should be allowed to aid in recovery from injuries.  Based on that study, the one performance benefit to HGH appears to fade pretty quickly after ceasing treatment, which I think makes his point valid.  Why not allow athletes treatment that can help them heal faster, so long as they have discontinued treatment for a period of time before returning to the field to negate its short-term effects?

[markb]

ugh, sorry for the ugly inconsistency of the formatting in that post.  It's a pain to deal with the copy-pastes changing fonts.

[Lifetime]

I think sneaky_flute is getting unjustifiably dogpiled on here.  

Not really. Every study that questions the athletic benefits of HGH also states that there is not nearly enough study/evidence to conclude conclusively. And, as I posted in the articel above, there have been studies that show there is athletic benefits to HGH use. 

[markb]

Not really. Every study that questions the athletic benefits of HGH also states that there is not nearly enough study/evidence to conclude conclusively. And, as I posted in the articel above, there have been studies that show there is athletic benefits to HGH use. 

 

Did you even read my post below the line you quoted?  I can't imagine you did based on what you just typed.

[Lhalo]

By the way, Nelson Cruz is way up there on the epic dickhead list now.  He cheats and gets caught so what does he do?  Fire his agent.

Well he was a client of ACEs. Those guys are some of most crooked pieces of shit in baseball.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/report-embattled-texas-rangers-outfielder-nelson-cruz-fires-agents.html/

[Lifetime]

Did you even read my post below the line you quoted?  I can't imagine you did based on what you just typed.

yes I did. I was commenting on your initial comment - which is why that was the only part I quoted.

[ten ocho recon scout]

'H' does more for performance than some of you want to believe. To add to it, its generally not used by itself...

HGH is naturally occurring (like test). Your body naturally produces it, which in turn leads to certain functions (like test).

Adding more to your body than you are naturally producing (like test) will increase those certain functions...

Steroids are still very misunderstood by the majority of the general public. They serve the same purpose as hormone therapy for women. The reason they aren't as accepted (historically) is because women usually got them from a doctor due to menopause and related conditions, where as men got them from some guy at the gym for cosmetic purposes.

That said, they do plenty more than simply 'build mass'. This is the part which is misunderstood by the general public.

Personally, I agree with the above posyer who said most players have used ay some point. I would alter it a bit though to say maybe its not most (currently), but its FAR more than what we as fans know about. In terms of guys like arod, manny etc.....they were caught twice (or 3 times). Think mlb just got lucky and tested right when they used their first time? Manny didn't even get caught with juice, he got caught post cycling....thay should be a good sign about how on the ball the actual testing was.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Put it like this, when people get arrested with a crack pipe in their pocket, do you think they started smoking that day?

[Homebrewer]

I never really hated Arod...until right now, sitting here watching his lying sorry act on TV.
Now I hate the guy.