The Angels and Cody Bellinger

[Second Base]

The periphs suggest regression. Having said that, I'd love him in an Angels uni.. I don't see it happening but that could simply be my own shortsightedness. 

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Dgar24 said:

Agree with this .

Any money spent on high risk needs to be pitching ! You can get old guys Turner or Martinez for example to produce runs. their track records are stable also way less financial burden if they don’t produce.

I know Snell is risky, so what all ball players are risky. 2 Cy young’s 6 inning pitcher, almost  all are now.  I’ll take him and more bullpen help. 
 

 

 

This is probably Adell’s last chance here.  The K rate doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Dgar24 said:

Agree with this .

Any money spent on high risk needs to be pitching ! You can get old guys Turner or Martinez for example to produce runs. their track records are stable also way less financial burden if they don’t produce.

I know Snell is risky, so what all ball players are risky. 2 Cy young’s 6 inning pitcher, almost  all are now.  I’ll take him and more bullpen help. 
 

 

 

But was a 5 inning pitcher in the years preceding 2023.

Is it wise to give $200 million to someone with a checkered endurance history?

[Stradling]

Have you guys considered that this is just the price going forward on free agents?  Last year they all got paid more than expected.  This year it appears it’s the same. 

[Dgar24]

11 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

But was a 5 inning pitcher in the years preceding 2023.

Is it wise to give $200 million to someone with a checkered endurance history?

The price of winning has gone up. I want the team in the playoffs. I think he’s the right guy I pay the price. And hope he delivers.

 

[BTH]

If the Angels are going to spend $200M, it should be on something they could actually use: a starting pitcher.

[Dgar24]

6 minutes ago, BTH said:

If the Angels are going to spend $200M, it should be on something they could actually use: a starting pitcher.

That’s what I was referring to, being in on Snell.

[Pancake Bear]

Snell is a yes for me. Biggest impact player we could actually get. Yes, his inability to pitch past the fifth is not ideal, but I'd rather have 5 elite innings than 6 mediocre ones.

Bellinger is almost certainly going to be massively overpaid. I don't hate the player, but he was not good at all for two seasons before that and was already showing warning signs in 2020. And as has been noted, there are big questions surrounding the sustainability of his success in 2023. Just feels like much more obvious risk that isn't factored into what he's going to be paid. I'd rather take a flyer on Teoscar, personally. 

[Angelsjunky]

Who knows what to expect from Bellinger - his career has been all over the place, as hav his peripherals. When he had that crazy good year in 2019 (.305/.406/.629, 161 wRC+, 7.8 WAR) he has a 14.4 BB% and 16.4 K%. Last year his BB% was literally half that, at 7.2 (but similar K-rate). He's had one MVP season (2019), three very good borderline star ones (2017-18, 2023), one OK (2020), and two duds (2021-22).

Despite the career high BABIP last year and likely regression, I still think he'll be a good player. He might be a guy who fluctuates, but his average performance is that of an above average player to borderline star. So I think you've got to expect around .270/.340/.480 with 3-4 WAR - even though he could be way above or below that. I wouldn't pay $25-30M for that, especially when it is about what we should get from Taylor Ward.

[JAHV76]

If the Angels are going to speed $200M this offseason it should be for pitching like Snell.

[Angels 1961]

The Angels should not be spending 200 million on anyone this off season. 

[DMVol]

Just now, Angels 1961 said:

The Angels should not be spending 200 million on anyone this off season. 

How about multiple signings like Drury, Estevez….

[Angels 1961]

4 minutes ago, DMVol said:

How about multiple signings like Drury, Estevez….

Depends on players but yes

[AngelStew43]

I’ve been hoping we’d sign Bellinger for the last two offseasons.  I suspect that those bad seasons were due to injury.  
The Angels need to replace at least part of the offense that left with Ohtani. 
Also, Bellinger is a plus defender in the OF and 1B.  

[HaloBronco]

6 hours ago, notherhalo said:

Signing Bellinger would be such an Angels move

Yes it would Definitely be such an Angels move but I hope they don't do it.

Got to break the cycle of getting into these deals that don't age well. 

If the choice this offseason is either a bad deal or no deal I'd rather them do nothing....... 

[Second Base]

I actually really like Bellinger. Beautiful left handed swing with natural loft would figure to play well in Anaheim. I just think he's likely ticketed for a 7-8 year deal, and the team that signs him probably should be competitive for the first half of his contract, and I just don't think the Angels will be. 

[ScottT]

9 hours ago, Chuck said:

If Bellinger was in the 125-150 million range I would take a shot on him, but there's too much risk to have him resort to his 2020-2022 swing and approach I believe. 

He is a very good defensive player in the outfield and 1B though. 

The Angels have  a cheap 1B capable of an  .800 OPS. 

Hard pass on Bellinger. He will get too much 

Edited December 21, 2023 by ScottT

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Throwing a lot of money at a player based upon one good year doesn't usually work out. There is a significant chance that his 2023 season was an outlier, rather than being indicative of him suddenly figuring it all out.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Vegas Halo Fan

[ScottT]

22 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Throwing a lot of money at a player based upon one good year doesn't usually work out. There is a significant chance that his 2023 season was an outlier, rather than being indicative of him suddenly figuring it all out.

Bellinger has had more than one good year. 

[notherhalo]

 

[REDneck]

Signing a 200m free agent with question marks is not the answer to the Angels questions.

[JohnnyBaseball]

This seems like a move that would be very likely if Perry was not the GM. It has Arte written all over it! Taking on an 8-10 year/200m deal on Bellinger is not the way. Let the Blue Jays take that risky contract, and we can go after Vladdy Jr in 2026 when he becomes a FA.

 

[Tank]

the angels don't need a guy who's as inconsistent as bellinger.

[Erstad Grit]

I'm OK passing on Beli, but I feel y'all aren't valuing CF defense. Simmons defense at SS impacted this team so much. 

Bellinger CF glove makes him a gamble worth it for me. 

[Angels 1961]

4 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I'm OK passing on Beli, but I feel y'all aren't valuing CF defense. Simmons defense at SS impacted this team so much. 

Bellinger CF glove makes him a gamble worth it for me. 

Moving Trout to LF when not in DH spot. Spend the 200 mill among 5 to 7 players.