Angels acquire Randal Grichuk and CJ Cron for Jake Madden and Mason Albright (option Cabbage, DFA Padlo, place Ward on 60-day IL)

[Inside Pitch]

Just now, Blarg said:

So, Bluto is Minasian and Moreno is Stratton? 

Yep..   

Hopefully Bluto ends up with the girl (Ohtani) in the end again.

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

The Angels don't need to prove shit to Ohtani. They need to win games and Ohtani can come along for the ride. These guys make it so they can continue forward and not fall out of the race but it has nothing to do with Ohtani, it has to do with finally getting to the playoffs.

[Angelsjunky]

I thought this was a joke at first.

Grichuk is having a flukey season, probably Coors-induced. His true talent level is 2021-22, about .250/.290/.420...in other words, replacement level. Cron is Cron. Both hack and are basically in the Renfroe/Moustakas/Drury school of hitting. We must have the league record for low average, low walk, some pop guys.

[Chuck]

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[Angelsjunky]

I hope I'm wrong and these guys fuel a real playoff run, but Minasian is gutting the farm. Four of the top 20 prospect traded, all on rentals and none with high-end impact.

Not liking this.

[Blarg]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

Man, I hate this trade. It smacks of desperation. Plus, both Albright and Madden are sneak upside prospects. 

 

If you haven't noticed, most of the fucking team is on the IL. 

Fuck it, they have the pitching to try and win tight games like today and Grichuk and Cron raise the floor with veterans that know how to play instead of a bunch of 4A guys that can't. This team went from one of the youngest to now veteran. That should hold the fort for a while waiting for Trout, Drury, Neto, O'Hoppe and (I hate to mention his name) Rendon to return.  

[Inside Pitch]

6 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

We must have the league record for low average, low walk, some pop guys.

And yet they ranked third in MLB in walks coming into this weekend and are currently 5th while leading the AL with 370 to the Rangers 367.

[tdawg87]

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[Inside Pitch]

11 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Man, I hate this trade. It smacks of desperation. Plus, both Albright and Madden are sneak upside prospects. 

Have fun with it..  I like to pretend that Perry is in his office blasting "The Roof is on Fire" looking over the prospects list as the song reaches the "we don't need no water let the MOFO burrrrrn" part.

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

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Wasn't trying for that, it's genuinely kind of a freak thing.

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

Something something Kotter.

I'll be realistic and take anything just to get above 500 for the first time in 2015.

 

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Cabbage and Padlo my guess. 

17 K in 34 PA and 0 BB? Not a good metric for Cabbage.

They already DFA Padlo. New book coming out Here today Gone tomorrow by Padlo

[totdprods]

If they can just hang in there until the end of August....schedule has a couple lighter series in September and this team could be well-stocked. 

4 against Cleveland, 3 against Seattle, 3 against Detroit, 3 against Minnesota, 6 against Oakland....19 games against teams scratching to stay at .500 at best. Toronto has a brutal September. Their last 19 games to close the year are against Texas, Boston, and the Yankees and Rays 6 games apiece.

Ohtani, Giolito, Detmers, Sandoval, Canning are a very solid 5, and Anderson's been pitching much better. 

Outfield of Moniak/Grichuk, Trout, and Renfroe
Infield of Moustakas/Rengifo, Neto, Drury, and Cron/Moustakas with Rendon maybe doing something? 
O'Hoppe and Thaiss behind the plate. Not bad.

Edited July 31, 2023 by totdprods

[Angels 1961]

8 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I hope I'm wrong and these guys fuel a real playoff run, but Minasian is gutting the farm. Four of the top 20 prospect traded, all on rentals and none with high-end impact.

Not liking this.

These 2 can be replaced. Remember halo farm system ranked very low. Minasian and Arte all.

[Angelsjunky]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

And yet they ranked third in MLB in walks coming into this weekend and are currently 5th while leading the AL with 370 to the Rangers 367.

It is weird, ain't it? You look at the lineup, especially now, and most guys are hackers. We really need Trout back. Rendon would help, too (in theory). Losing Ward really sucks.

 

[Angels 1961]

2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

If they can just hang in there until the end of August....schedule has a couple lighter series in September and this team could be well-stocked. 

4 against Cleveland, 3 against Seattle, 3 against Detroit, 3 against Minnesota, 6 against Oakland....19 games against teams scratching to stay at .500 at best. 

Ohtani, Giolito, Detmers, Sandoval, Canning are a very solid 5, and Anderson's been pitching much better. 

Outfield of Moniak/Grichuk, Trout, and Renfroe
Infield of Moustakas/Rengifo, Neto, Drury, and Cron/Moustakas with Rendon maybe doing something? 
O'Hoppe and Thaiss behind the plate. Not bad.

What if Minasian really shocks everyone and get Verlander.

[Angelsjunky]

Just now, Angels 1961 said:

These 2 can be replaced. Remember halo farm system ranked very low. Minasian and Arte all.

Madden has really good potential. I really liked when they drafted Albright, but he stuttered at first. These two are going to hurt in a couple years when Cron and Grichuk are long gone.

[ScottT]

28 minutes ago, mmc said:

And yet you’re writing off two guys as “not good”  before they play a game for us.  Sheesh.

We know what they are 

They are meh.

They could have a better two months.  Or worse.  

[m0nkey]

13 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

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[Angelsjunky]

6 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Have fun with it..  I like to pretend that Perry is in his office blasting "The Roof is on Fire" looking over the prospects list as the song reaches the "we don't need no water let the MOFO burrrrrn" part.

He's obviously going all-in, but this is going to hurt as soon as next year. I'm almost more bummed about losing Madden/Albright than Quero (because of O'Hoppe).

[mmc]

 

[Warfarin]

I mean .. I guess?

I appreciate that Minasian is doing what he can to win.  Likely his boss is telling him to win by any means necessary - hence, the prospect cost, Arte agreeing to go over the luxury tax, etc.

In terms of the long-term organizational health, well, it comes down to one thing really right?  Even if we don't make the playoffs, if this somehow impresses Ohtani and shows him that this organization will do whatever it can to win and he signs long-term, then you can say it was definitely worth the prospect cost.  If he leaves, and we just traded a number of prospects (including a very promising catcher) for nothing, well .. ouch.

Here is hoping this all leads to Ohtani staying and/or winning the World Series this year.

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

Madden has really good potential. I really liked when they drafted Albright, but he stuttered at first. These two are going to hurt in a couple years when Cron and Grichuk are long gone.

How many losing seasons do you want to see. Time to go all-in. The decision has been made cannot stop now.

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

I heard Rockies picking up some of money.

[Angelsjunky]

Just now, Angels 1961 said:

How many losing seasons do you want to see. Time to go all-in. The decision has been made cannot stop now.

I just don't think Cron and Grichuk move the dial all that much, and it is more prospect leakage.