Are we all a little disgusted tonight?

[cals]

12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Or check this out, he had a damaged UCL when he got here. 

You have evidence of this?  Did the Angels not do a medical evaluation?  Or are you making things up?

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, cals said:

You have evidence of this?  Did the Angels not do a medical evaluation?  Or are you making things up?

Yes I have evidence. 

[cals]

13 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Imagine if Maddon gave him more than two starts in 2020.  

He would have kept with his usual schedule with Maddon and not missed 2 years pitching.

[cals]

Just now, Stradling said:

Yes I have evidence. 

Please, present your evidence.

[Stradling]

Just now, cals said:

Please, present your evidence.

https://www.mlbdailydish.com/platform/amp/2017/12/13/16770772/angels-shohei-ohtani-injury

[REDneck]

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

It’s less to do with my point and more to do with who posted it. 

It is.

[Stradling]

https://sports.yahoo.com/recent-physical-shows-angels-shohei-ohtani-damaged-elbow-ligament-035554341.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAArkIeXbKvRhZENu-sWnxYEbAIcd2gxrhRgDZafOZEprIIrFlTLLoXfqgyUhtGRp0Y_CFxlgrwGvHg2cJdQd65AnRZcO2_hKxeuMrG43RaDgLShseNYoSpvJ2yXgIVIWfByQCxqveP69TEqx-mjM3EwtHmUrt8w77elA1SfUgNCd

[Stradling]

I’m surprised you don’t remember this @cals

[gurn67]

Brandon Drury has never had a sacrifice bunt in his Major League career. Renigfo has 7. Phillips has 9, including 4 last year. Obviously, Phillips would have been the best option in that situation. I trust him to get the job done more than Renigfo , but both would have given the team a better chance to win than letting Drury swing away. To me, it's would be like pinch hitting for a slap hitter with a power hitter when you're down by one with 2 outs and nobody on. They needed to win this game. Same old Angels.

[REDneck]

Say what u want about Sosh, but he finds a way to win today's game!

No...I have no way to substantiate this.

It's not even a knock on Nevin.

Edited May 11, 2023 by REDneck

[cals]

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I’m surprised you don’t remember this @cals

[full circle]

20 minutes ago, REDneck said:

Much franchise success since Sosh retired.

 

No!!

Correlation does not equal causation.  

[REDneck]

32 minutes ago, gurn67 said:

Brandon Drury has never had a sacrifice bunt in his Major League career. Renigfo has 7. Phillips has 9, including 4 last year. Obviously, Phillips would have been the best option in that situation. I trust him to get the job done more than Renigfo , but both would have given the team a better chance to win than letting Drury swing away. To me, it's would be like pinch hitting for a slap hitter with a power hitter when you're down by one with 2 outs and nobody on. They needed to win this game. Same old Angels.

Interesting and may explain the decision...if so should of been pinch hit for.

Don't care if the Astros saw a SAC coming with a PH.

Is it that Drury doesn't know how to bunt or he just has never done it?

Did Nevin have this info?   Don't be so sure.

Look I know there are different strategys , but I'm gonna die on this hill tonight that Drury or someone should of moved those runners up.

Edited May 11, 2023 by REDneck

[REDneck]

16 minutes ago, full circle said:

Correlation does not equal causation.  

Yes, just a coincidence.

[AngelsFaninGA]

Scioscia won more games with worse rosters. 2017 we won 80 games with Ricky Nolasco, JC Ramirez, Jesse Chavez and Parker Bridwell leading the team in innings and the current team can't pull its head out of its ass with a rotation of Ohtani, Sandoval, Detmers and Anderson. 

[Docwaukee]

54 minutes ago, full circle said:

I don’t have to pretend anything.  The way he left here and the way exactly zero teams wanted him afterward tells me he wasn’t “great.”  A great manager wouldn’t have a hard time finding another job after expressing that he wanted one. 

He had many offers.  He wanted/wants a level of control that no other team would be willing to give him.  

[Duren, Duren]

Not smart ball at all. Home runs or nothing. Problematic inner diamond defense. Herget missing badly with two strikes and two outs. A dozen strikeouts by the hitters. Again. 

Drury trying to pull an outside curve with two strikes and the game on the line. starting Ward against a pitcher who he literally hadn't been able to ever get his bat on the ball. 

Frustrating losing these two divisional series at home. And seven games on the road now. 

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, Swordsman78 said:

FIFY

Yea, those 74 win seasons since he left sure makes us forget him.

[Docwaukee]

Drury should know how to bunt.  But he doesn't so you don't ask him to.  It's that simple.  Lose the game by putting your players in their best position to succeed.  They might as well have asked Rendon and Renfroe to double steal.  It makes almost as much sense as asking a guy who has zero sacrifices to sacrifice.  

[REDneck]

12 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

Drury should know how to bunt.  But he doesn't so you don't ask him to.  It's that simple.  Lose the game by putting your players in their best position to succeed.  They might as well have asked Rendon and Renfroe to double steal.  It makes almost as much sense as asking a guy who has zero sacrifices to sacrifice.  

Does he not know how to bunt or he just hasn't been asked to bunt before?

This hasn't been answered to my liking.

I guess you can make a case that they are one in the same.

If he doesn't know how to bunt then pinch hit...I don't care if the defense knows you're PH for a sac...1b and 3b play in for the sac...double steal!!

If he doesn't know how to bunt...Why? Is he Barry Bonds,Mike Trout(not a great example lately)...if he does not know how to bunt it's just another example of poor fundamentals with this team.

 

 

 

[REDneck]

1 hour ago, Docwaukee said:

Drury should know how to bunt.  But he doesn't so you don't ask him to.  It's that simple.  Lose the game by putting your players in their best position to succeed.  They might as well have asked Rendon and Renfroe to double steal.  It makes almost as much sense as asking a guy who has zero sacrifices to sacrifice.  

 

29 minutes ago, REDneck said:

Does he not know how to bunt or he just hasn't been asked to bunt before?

This hasn't been answered to my liking.

I guess you can make a case that they are one in the same.

If he doesn't know how to bunt then pinch hit...I don't care if the defense knows you're PH for a sac...1b and 3b play in for the sac...double steal!!

If he doesn't know how to bunt...Why? Is he Barry Bonds,Mike Trout(not a great example lately)...if he does not know how to bunt it's just another example of poor fundamentals with this team.

 

 

 

Alright Doc I usually agree with most of your posts, so I have a feeling I'm about to get schooled....go ahead!

[Docwaukee]

21 minutes ago, REDneck said:

Does he not know how to bunt or he just hasn't been asked to bunt before?

This hasn't been answered to my liking.

I guess you can make a case that they are one in the same.

If he doesn't know how to bunt then pinch hit...I don't care if the defense knows you're PH for a sac...1b and 3b play in for the sac...double steal!!

If he doesn't know how to bunt...Why? Is he Barry Bonds,Mike Trout(not a great example lately)...if he does not know how to bunt it's just another example of poor fundamentals with this team.

 

 

 

to answer the first part of your question - you should know that before you ask a guy to bunt who doesn't have a bunt hit or a sacrifice bunt in over 2400 major league plate appearances.  

But here's the thing, even if he tells you yes, you have to look at his track record and decide for yourself as the manager.  Based on his stats, he's either never been asked or he's never been successful when he has tried.  

People don't work on bunting anymore because it's a waste of an out that is rarely asked to be performed.  

People keep calling bunting a fundamental.  It's not.  It's not enough a part of the game anymore to waste your time practicing.  Practice hitting.  Practice fielding.  Practice other common things that happen in the game.  

If you're good at bunting then super.  If Brandon Drury has to waste his time to get capable at something he'll get asked to do twice a year then don't.  He'd be better of working on his knuckle ball for a late inning appearance.  It's about as relevant.  

[REDneck]

2 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

to answer the first part of your question - you should know that before you ask a guy to bunt who doesn't have a bunt hit or a sacrifice bunt in over 2400 major league plate appearances.  

But here's the thing, even if he tells you yes, you have to look at his track record and decide for yourself as the manager.  Based on his stats, he's either never been asked or he's never been successful when he has tried.  

People don't work on bunting anymore because it's a waste of an out that is rarely asked to be performed.  

People keep calling bunting a fundamental.  It's not.  It's not enough a part of the game anymore to waste your time practicing.  Practice hitting.  Practice fielding.  Practice other common things that happen in the game.  

If you're good at bunting then super.  If Brandon Drury has to waste his time to get capable at something he'll get asked to do twice a year then don't.  He'd be better of working on his knuckle ball for a late inning appearance.  It's about as relevant.  

Fair enough!

[Angels 1961]

Bottom line Scioscia is not here and not coming back. After this season Ohtani will be gone and not coming back. 

[Revad]

Disgusted is a good description.  Disappointed.  Resigned almost.  But not despair!