Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

[jsnpritchett]

2 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Hoerner and Chisholm are my legit guesses

I'd love to get Chisholm, but he's exactly the type of guy the Marlins should be holding on to, not trading away.  I imagine the acquisition cost for him would be sky high.

[cals]

1 hour ago, Dtwncbad said:

You win.

[Warfarin]

3 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

I'd love to get Chisholm, but he's exactly the type of guy the Marlins should be holding on to, not trading away.  I imagine the acquisition cost for him would be sky high.

Can Chisholm effectively play SS?  I seem to recall he is more of a 2B than a SS.

[Warfarin]

So, per BTV, this would be a "fair" trade ..

Or, alternatively, one without Neto:

 

[Chuck]

3 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

I'd love to get Chisholm, but he's exactly the type of guy the Marlins should be holding on to, not trading away.  I imagine the acquisition cost for him would be sky high.

I totally agree. I’m sure he would cost the Angels a young starting pitcher, Luis Rengifo and probably Jo Adell and as much as I love him and the way he plays the game that would be an overpay IMO. 

[Angelsjunky]

What strikes me about the Turner contract is that he'll be in his 30s for 95% of it. 

Turner's a great player, but note the drop in wRC+: from 159 in 2020 (albeit 59 games) to 142 in 2021 to 128 last year. When that drops a bit further to the 110 range, and his defense goes through the typical decline, all of sudden they're paying $30M for a 3 WAR guy rather than a 6 WAR guy...probably in just a few years.

[jsnpritchett]

2 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Can Chisholm effectively play SS?  I seem to recall he is more of a 2B than a SS.

He is.  I wasn't reacting to the positional aspect of the post.  I was just commenting on Chisholm in general.

[Angelsjunky]

3 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

So, per BTV, this would be a "fair" trade ..

Or, alternatively, one without Neto:

 

Isn't there a rule in which you can't trade a player within 1 year of drafting him? Or is that no longer the case (or just my imagination)?

[Warfarin]

And, for fun, this would be roughly the kind of package it would take to land Chisholm.

[jsnpritchett]

3 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Isn't there a rule in which you can't trade a player within 1 year of drafting him? Or is that no longer the case (or just my imagination)?

Yeah, that went away a few years back.  If you remember the Will Wilson trade, that was in the same year he was drafted, for example.

[Lazorko Saves]

3 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Isn't there a rule in which you can't trade a player within 1 year of drafting him?

Rule no longer exists.

https://www.mlb.com/news/tracy-ringolsby-trea-turner-the-latest-prospect-to-prompt-rule-change/c-121901436

Out: The Pete Incaviglia Rule

In: The Trea Turner Rule

[Warfarin]

 

Interestingly, the Phillies were not the high bidder for Turner

[Chuck]

I could really see a Jose Suarez, Denzer Guzman and Edgar Quero for Nico Hoerner deal if they get one of the remaining three top SS's, and especially two of the three. 

[jsnpritchett]

23 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

So, per BTV, this would be a "fair" trade ..

Or, alternatively, one without Neto:

 

Not sure I'd bother with either of those, really.  I know Hoerner put up a 4+ WAR season this year, but seems like Neto has a reasonable shot of being a better player overall.  You'd get three years of control on Hoerner, though he's just entering arbitration, so his salary will start jumping.  Suarez has become a very usable piece the last couple years.  I don't know...Hoerner just doesn't strike me as a someone you'd trade multiple top 5 prospects or a top 5 prospect and a serviceable SP for. 

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

Not sure I'd bother with either of those, really.  I know Hoerner put up a 4+ WAR season this year, but seems like Neto has a reasonable shot of being a better player overall.  You'd get three years of control on Hoerner, though he's just entering arbitration, so his salary will start jumping.  Suarez has become a very usable piece the last couple years.  I don't know...Hoerner just doesn't strike me as a someone you'd trade multiple top 5 prospects or a top 5 prospect and a serviceable SP for. 

You want to win now and Perry trying to save his job

[Angels 1961]

Could this be the big splash someone was talking about?

[Warfarin]

9 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Not sure I'd bother with either of those, really.  I know Hoerner put up a 4+ WAR season this year, but seems like Neto has a reasonable shot of being a better player overall.  You'd get three years of control on Hoerner, though he's just entering arbitration, so his salary will start jumping.  Suarez has become a very usable piece the last couple years.  I don't know...Hoerner just doesn't strike me as a someone you'd trade multiple top 5 prospects or a top 5 prospect and a serviceable SP for. 

Yeah, I agree.   BTV is just a tool; it is somewhat on point, but obviously value is in the eye of the beholder.  

Suarez is a tradeable piece, though, and if the Cubs want to contend now, I have to imagine they would want some MLB assets in a trade, and Suarez is probably amongst the most tradeable ones that we have that is reasonable.

I think we could probably replace Suarez's production.  A solid SS is not easy to find, and he would definitely be a solid upgrade over what we have.  He grades out as a very strong defender.

If you assume that we are aiming to stay below the luxury tax level, which I think is probably a fair assumption until proven otherwise, this would rather nicely fit into our budget as well, as Hoerner is projected to earn around 2.2mil.  We'd have enough to still fill another spot, for perhaps around 7-8mil worth of salary, maybe a little more even.

I should clarify - I would hang onto Neto, and I'd probably try to cobble some deal around Suarez + whatever other pieces they may be interested in.

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

There will be a lot of people upset with whoever they sign 

I know who one of them will be. 

[m0nkey]

16 minutes ago, Lou said:

I know who one of them will be. 

I know we won’t be. 
 

Let’s go Perry!

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

I know we won’t be. 
 

Let’s go Perry!

Yes! 

[jsnpritchett]

27 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Yeah, I agree.   BTV is just a tool; it is somewhat on point, but obviously value is in the eye of the beholder.  

Suarez is a tradeable piece, though, and if the Cubs want to contend now, I have to imagine they would want some MLB assets in a trade, and Suarez is probably amongst the most tradeable ones that we have that is reasonable.

I think we could probably replace Suarez's production.  A solid SS is not easy to find, and he would definitely be a solid upgrade over what we have.  He grades out as a very strong defender.

If you assume that we are aiming to stay below the luxury tax level, which I think is probably a fair assumption until proven otherwise, this would rather nicely fit into our budget as well, as Hoerner is projected to earn around 2.2mil.  We'd have enough to still fill another spot, for perhaps around 7-8mil worth of salary, maybe a little more even.

I should clarify - I would hang onto Neto, and I'd probably try to cobble some deal around Suarez + whatever other pieces they may be interested in.

Yeah, something like that would be more palatable.  Like I said, he just doesn't seem like the type of guy you severely weaken the upper ranks of your prospects for. Hoerner would definitely be a good addition at the right price.  He finally developed a bit of pop this year and made some improvements in his batted ball profile.  If those are sustainable, then he's interesting to me, since his defense will (presumably...) still be great moving forward.

[Warfarin]

 

[beatlesrule]

55 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

 

Interestingly, the Phillies were not the high bidder for Turner

The Padres offered him more. But but but, I thought all players go to the highest bidder.....

[ukyah]

3 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Maybe he got bribe money back

this is your best post by far. 

[jsnpritchett]

4 minutes ago, ukyah said:

this is your best post by far.