Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

[Angel Oracle]

Cueto or Wacha are still decent options, and shouldn’t command $10 million.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[angelsnationtalk]

Understanding health is a concern, but the Rangers' pitching depth is stupid deep. 

They're in a good position to trade for someone like Reynolds or another outfield top bat. 

To me, the Rangers can sneak up quick on the Angels if they get another bat/bullpen arm

Edited December 28, 2022 by angelsnationtalk

[Vlad27Trout27]

Welp the Al west will be a slug fest! last team standing. With the Rangers latest moves, I've placed them in the same win range as us and Seattle.

 

[Jason]

37 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Damn this one was a bummer. Down to a trade or Greinke, Wacha, Cueto, and maybe Wade Miley?

Nah, the halos are done for the off season 

[angelsnationtalk]

6 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Welp the Al west will be a slug fest! last team standing. With the Rangers latest moves, I've placed them in the same win range as us and Seattle.

 

If they trade for a good outfield bat then i'd place them with us in the standings. 
Mariners are ahead of us.

[Stradling]

22 minutes ago, Jason said:

Nah, the halos are done for the off season 

I am pretty sure you already are on record saying they wouldn’t do anything this off season.  

[Hubs]

I don't think Eovaldi puts them ahead of the Angels. They were not very good last year, and while they've added pitching, they were significantly worse than they're pythagorean expected win totals.

77-85 was what 707 runs scored and 743 runs allowed gets you.

Angels only scored 623 runs. But only allowed 668.

They also underperformed their expected win total of 76-86.

Both teams have upgraded, Rangers adding much needed pitching and Angels added several new mid range players on both sides.

Their lineup however, isn't really impressive. I don't know who hits where, but 

C Heim, 1B Lowe, 2B Semien, SS Seager, 3B Jung, LF Thompson, CF Tavares, RF Garcia, DH Garver...

Angels arguably have better offense at every position except SS. Some aren't even close.

Lowe is their best hitter from 2022, and Seager should be. They don't have any depth either.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by Hubs

[Angels 1961]

Still have chance at Michael's Wacha and Fulmer and the Zack's, Greinke and Zack Britton.

[Second Base]

32 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Understanding health is a concern, but the Rangers' pitching depth is stupid deep. 

They're in a good position to trade for someone like Reynolds or another outfield top bat. 

To me, the Rangers can sneak up quick on the Angels if they get another bat/bullpen arm

I wouldn't say that here. People will think you hate the Angels. 

[Angels 1961]

Just now, Hubs said:

I don't think Eovaldi puts them ahead of the Angels. They were not very good last year, and while they've added pitching, they were significantly worse than they're pythagorean expected win totals.

77-85 was what 707 runs scored and 743 runs allowed gets you.

Angels only scored 623 runs. But only allowed 668.

They also underperformed their expected win total of 76-86.

Both teams have upgraded, Rangers adding much needed pitching and Angels added several new mid range players on both sides.

Their lineup however, isn't really impressive. I don't know who hits where, but 

C Heim, 1B Lowe, 2B Semien, SS Seager, 3B Jung, LF Thompson, CF Tavares, RF Garcia, DH Garver...

Angels arguably have better offense at every position. Some aren't even close.

Lowe is their best hitter from 2022, and Seager should be. They don't have any depth either.

 

 

or what's in their BP

[Stradling]

Earlier in the off season there was a rumor that Domingo German was on the trade block, I wonder if he and Luegte would be in a package to the Angels.

[Jason]

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I am pretty sure you already are on record saying they wouldn’t do anything this off season.  

Yes. I said they may make a few minor moves but not the big splash people were hoping for. I don’t think the Halos were that far off from being contenders as it seemed like their lack of depth is what really hurt them. I think they’ve improved that a bit this off season so I’m fine with them not wasting resources on moves that only marginally improve them 

[Hubs]

5 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Still have chance at Michael's Wacha and Fulmer and the Zack's, Greinke and Zack Britton.

None of those guys improve the team. 

[wopphil]

Bummer on Kluber. I think the Angels should have been all over him. But Wacha or Cueto would still be help the team. 

[AngelStew43]

Grienke pitched pretty well in our park once before, maybe he’s interested in a reunion?

[Second Base]

The fact that the Red Sox got Kluber likely also means they won't be trading Sale either. 

And I'm not too bummed on Kluber or Sale. Kluber was one of many options in his tier and Sale was a longshot to begin with. 

I think they'll add a starter, but it'll be on a much lesser deal. 

[Angel Oracle]

9 minutes ago, Hubs said:

None of those guys improve the team. 

Concur on the Zack’s not improving the Halos.

Wacha and Fulmer could though, if they can get them for one season and stay under the tax threshold.

Still would prefer Cueto to Wacha though.

Need one righty starter and one righty setup man.

 

[Angelsfan1984]

Wacha and Alex Reyes. Should be enough money to make that happen

[Dtwncbad]

If the Angels want another starter, the quality in free agency is now gone and they should pivot to the trade market and aim higher than the likes of Eovaldi/Kluber/Greinke/Cueto.

Repeating an earlier post, if Pablo Lopez is really available, then pursue him aggressively.

He would be a much better acquisition than landing one of what was left in free agency.

 

 

[Angels 1961]

11 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Concur on the Zack’s not improving the Halos.

Wacha and Fulmer could though, if they can get them for one season and stay under the tax threshold.

Still would prefer Cueto to Wacha though.

Need one righty starter and one righty setup man.

 

Who will be closer the committee?

[Hubs]

12 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Concur on the Zack’s not improving the Halos.

Wacha and Fulmer could though, if they can get them for one season and stay under the tax threshold.

Still would prefer Cueto to Wacha though.

Need one righty starter and one righty setup man.

 

I'd rather get two BP arms and give the 6th (really 5.5 starter) job to Canning, or Silseth, or Rodriguez.

[Angels 1961]

26 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Earlier in the off season there was a rumor that Domingo German was on the trade block, I wonder if he and Luegte would be in a package to the Angels.

My time is running out only 37 hours

[Angels 1961]

Just now, Hubs said:

I'd rather get two BP arms and give the 6th (really 5.5 starter) job to Canning, or Silseth, or Rodriguez.

You cannot count on Canning or Chris. If healthy that would just be extra icing on the cake.

[Hubs]

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

You cannot count on Canning or Chris. If healthy that would just be extra icing on the cake.

They're planning on starting Ohtani 32-33 times, Anderson the same

And Sandova probably the same or between 30-32.

Thats 94-99 starts, Suarez and Detmers hopefully get 24-27 each. That's 142-153 starts. Leaving somewhere between 9 and 20 for the #6 starter(s).

 Depth would be nice, but I think health is better. So getting 4-10 starts out of each of Canning and Silseth is fine by me. Or by C-Rod, if he isn't in the pen. Even if it means Garza, Barria, Daniel, and Davidson get a few here and there.

You have 5 solid starters. Adding two more pen arms (Bradey, Reyes, Chachin) to make the pen better is a better use of resources.

[Angels 1961]

Who are they doing this planning. That would be great if all stayed healthy all year. What are chances of that? Ohtani made 28 starts last year and if he made that many this that would be great. Same with Sandoval, Anderson and Detmers. Halos are looking and will have a 6th starter. I think it is coming via trade.