Angels Lack of Production at the Bottom of the Order Encapsulated:

[BTH]

 

[jsnpritchett]

7 minutes ago, Trendon said:

 

I think Codify ran something a week or so ago that showed the Angels have the lowest OPS for 4-9-- so it's really even worse than this graph shows! 

[Inside Pitch]

Hopefully they sign a few more high priced middle relievers this winter to address these offensive issues.

[Dtwncbad]

17 minutes ago, Trendon said:

 

I hope this chart puts to bed the idea that the Angels “strike out too much” and easily illustrates the problem is actually what happens when they don’t strike out.

The bottom half of the order is just impotent.  They can’t really hurt you.  It makes it awfully easy for pitchers to attack you when there is almost no risk of the hitter doing any real damage.

And imagine even a decent hitter in the #4 spot.  What pitcher would ever sweat walking that guy when the next 4 guys in the lineup couldn’t break open a soaking wet piñata with a chainsaw?

Two major offensive upgrades changes this whole lineup.  One has to be Rendon (fingers crossed) and they must go get another legitimately dangerous bat.

[CaliAngel]

Well, that pretty much tells the whole story about out offensive woes IMO. 

That's almost 2 free innings of baseball for any pitcher after they get through the 1-4 hitters. Even the #5 you don't have to challenge because if he gets on base you know nobody is going to be driving him in. 

It'd be interesting to know the number of stranded runners we've left on base this year. Has to be a record. It seems there are multiple times a game we leave runners on 2nd and 3rd to end the inning, even if the runner get there with 0 outs. 

[Angelsfan1984]

[Taylor]

Instead of a chart I thought it would be a giant picture of poop.

 

[Hubs]

This is why they need to add a bat in the offseason. Moniak, Ward and Adell can hold down one OF spot, but the other needs to be addressed. The Catcher spot also, Thaiss can hit ok I guess, but he isn't playing daily, and I don't get that at all.

If they feel O'Hoppe is nearly ready but if he's gonna be up in 2024, then sign a catcher to a one year deal, I guess, that can actually and reliably hit the ball. 

They need an INF/OF guy I guess to play 1st part time or a Corner Infielder who can mash.

They could use a backup or platoon guy for the MINF...but that will have to come via trade.\

Lots of adds.

[Inside Pitch]

6 minutes ago, CaliAngel said:

It'd be interesting to know the number of stranded runners we've left on base this year. Has to be a record. It seems there are multiple times a game we leave runners on 2nd and 3rd to end the inning, even if the runner get there with 0 outs. 

They have the 8th lowest number of runners left on base in all of MLB, but that's more a byproduct of their never having runners on base to begin with because they have multiple black holes.   They are batting .230 as a team with men on base (29th), better than only Oakland (229).

[tdawg87]

2 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

I hope this chart puts to bed the idea that the Angels “strike out too much” 

Nope. It doesn't.

[Angel Oracle]

For a change, the lineup needs to stay healthy enough.

No more missing 3/4 of the season like Trout and Rendon have recently!

No more injuries derailing strong seasons like those to Walsh and Ward!

It’s owed big time for the Halos to be healthy for a freaking change!

Edited September 13, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[CaliAngel]

31 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

They have the 8th lowest number of runners left on base in all of MLB, but that's more a byproduct of their never having runners on base to begin with because they have multiple black holes.   They are batting .230 as a team with men on base (29th), better than only Oakland (229).

Yeah that makes sense, and then what makes even more sense and speaks to what I said is the .230 as a team with men on base, which sounds about right. 

What hurts the most is those outs with runners on aren't even productive outs, they're usually pop ups, strikeouts or grounders that don't advance the runners. 

Like Velazquez last night, a bunt that he biffs for a pop-out to the pitcher --- unacceptable. It's why the Angels are where they are. 

[Angelsjunky]

[Angel Oracle]

Trout has 35 HRs and only 69 rbis!

Enough said.

How is that even possible otherwise from an upper part of lineup hitter?

[jsnpritchett]

54 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Trout has 35 HRs and only 69 rbis!

Enough said.

How is that even possible otherwise from an upper part of lineup hitter?

If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense.  The vast majority of his ABs have come from hitting 2nd.  Angels leadoff hitters have a .326 OBP this season--not terrible given the offensive context of this year, but unremarkable.  But then the absolute black hole of the bottom of the lineup means that there are fewer men on base when Trout bats when the hitting order turns over after the 1st inning.  Make sense?

[Stradling]

20 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

They have the 8th lowest number of runners left on base in all of MLB, but that's more a byproduct of their never having runners on base to begin with because they have multiple black holes.   They are batting .230 as a team with men on base (29th), better than only Oakland (229).

So just to be clear, it isn’t a record? 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

20 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

They have the 8th lowest number of runners left on base in all of MLB, but that's more a byproduct of their never having runners on base to begin with because they have multiple black holes.   They are batting .230 as a team with men on base (29th), better than only Oakland (229).

Exactly why I didn't believe that the LOB number would be that high. It would presume offensive production from said 6-9 hitters.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense.  The vast majority of his ABs have come from hitting 2nd.  Angels leadoff hitters have a .326 OBP this season--not terrible given the offensive context of this year, but unremarkable.  But then the absolute black hole of the bottom of the lineup means that there are fewer men on base when Trout bats when the hitting order turns over after the 1st inning.  Make sense?

Exactly, I was referring mainly to the black holes in the lower half of the order.

[HanfordGuy]

Angels Lack of Production at the Bottom of the Order Encapsulated:
 

[Angel Oracle]

58 minutes ago, HanfordGuy said:

Angels Lack of Production at the Bottom of the Order Encapsulated:
 

 

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

 

Wait until you find out about the bomb that people forgot and rightfully so.  Angels are Sir Laurence's worst movie.

 

[HanfordGuy]

2 hours ago, cysomeawfulpitcher said:

Wait until you find out about the bomb that people forgot and rightfully so.  Angels are Sir Laurence's worst movie.

 

I blame the reviewer of this horrible movie (which he did in 2019) for all the horrible events of 2020.

[Angel Oracle]

And of course this “classic”

[Docwaukee]

I'm actually less worried about them fixing the lineup for next year than I am the bullpen.  

[Warfarin]

On 9/13/2022 at 2:23 PM, Angel Oracle said:

For a change, the lineup needs to stay healthy enough.

No more missing 3/4 of the season like Trout and Rendon have recently!

No more injuries derailing strong seasons like those to Walsh and Ward!

It’s owed big time for the Halos to be healthy for a freaking change!

Yeah - I think that actually creates an important cascade that leads to graphs like what we see.

With Trout and Rendon out, the lineup shifts around.  This team has been short on depth for awhile, and we have had to run guys out in the lineup that really shouldn't be in the MLB.  Rojas, Wade, Gosselin, etc..

Really, keeping our star players healthy will be the key to next year.  It should not be too hard to find serviceable depth options.  We can likely sign guys like Enrique Hernandez who will be fairly cheap and can be a much better option than the aforementioned players above.