Will the Angels sign Odorizzi?

[ScottT]

3 hours ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I'm telling ya..... Jo Adell and Brandon Marsh need to have a channel and pump out some content together. That'd be a super fun channel since they'd relate heavily to the newer generation. 

I was thinking they need to play good baseball so they can earn a lot of money.  And... the Angels can spend money on some pitching.

[DMVol]

1 hour ago, ThisismineScios said:

It doesn't make sense for him to wait. His value dropped last year between being hurt and the shortened season. He's probably hoping for a high 1-year offer to reestablish his value for 2022, but I think the teams that would do that are moving on. 

He needs to take the best deal he can get....waiting on the offer you want this late in the game doesn't work....

[Torridd]

2 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

But if Odorizzi is looking for a 3-year deal at xxx price and no team is close on meeting his demands, it may behoove him to wait it out until a team is more motivated to meet his asking prices because they have a need to fill. 

It's a big gamble, Chuck. Is he able to pitch to live batters while waiting? I wouldn't want that rust to grow. Do you think he has that much talent to call the teams' bluff?

[Erstad Grit]

2 hours ago, Lazorko Saves said:

I actually feel sorry for the guy.  This is painful to watch.

Likely would have had at least 3 year or 4 year deals available to him last year.  But instead, took the QO last year at $17.8m.  I am guessing he and his agent probably thought he'd be in line for better offers this offseason without draft pick compensation being attached to him.

Oops.

The guy has made over 22 million dollars. It was his choice to take the QO in hopes of building his value and shedding the attached draft pick. Grandal did that and it rewarded him. It didn't work out so well for Odorizzi, but I wouldn't say I feel sorry for him. 

[T.G.]

11 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

 I wouldn't say I feel sorry for him. 

You don't have to.  @Lazorko Saves did.

[T.G.]

28 minutes ago, DMVol said:

He needs to take the best deal he can get....waiting on the offer you want this late in the game doesn't work....

Hopefully, he will join AW and see your post.

[Lazorko Saves]

16 minutes ago, True Grich said:

You don't have to.  @Lazorko Saves did.

Exactly.  When Odorizzi puts himself up for adoption, @Erstad Grit is going to have get in line behind me!

[Tank]

this guy is going to run out of season if he doesn't sign soon.

[T.G.]

3 minutes ago, Tank said:

this guy is going to run out of season if he doesn't sign soon.

 

16 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Hopefully, he will join AW and see your post.

 

[tdawg87]

At this point, I'd be happy with Odorizzi. I'm with @Dochalo in that he doesn't really excite me, but if you can get him for 2/20 or hell even 2/24 I'd call that a good deal. 

I think having too many pitchers is a good thing. If they could get him soon, that could create some nice competition this spring. 

Obviously injuries are a thing. We know that as well as anyone. But maybe we haven't considered that guys like Cobb and Teheran are expendable. Yes, I know we gave up Jones for Cobb, but I think Odorizzi is a much better pitcher and I wouldn't cry if Cobb didn't make the roster. I'm not sure how that works but I assume he can be released or traded. Same with Teheran.

Heaney is an option to be traded as well, but I don't think it's a given that Odorizzi will be better than him. 

Also, if Bundy regresses, we at least have a pitcher to replace him in 2022, if we don't want to bring him back.

This is all just me thinking aloud. I don't think any of it will happen, but it's interesting, at least to me.

[DMVol]

47 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

.....Also, if Bundy regresses, we at least have a pitcher to replace him in 2022, if we don't want to bring him back.

The 2022 thing makes the most sense to me....We have 6 starters right now but 2 (Ohtani and Canning) for 2022...I'm not all in on Odorizzi and I'm not sure how Minasian would work it but it would make some sense in the bigger picture of things....

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, DMVol said:

The 2022 thing makes the most sense to me....We have 6 starters right now but 2 (Ohtani and Canning) for 2022...I'm not all in on Odorizzi and I'm not sure how Minasian would work it but it would make some sense in the bigger picture of things....

That's pretty much the upside I see to it. He fills a rotation spot for 2022, while we ponder resigning Bundy and Heaney.

[Blarg]

7 hours ago, Lazorko Saves said:

I actually feel sorry for the guy.  This is painful to watch.

Likely would have had at least 3 year or 4 year deals available to him last year.  But instead, took the QO last year at $17.8m.  I am guessing he and his agent probably thought he'd be in line for better offers this offseason without draft pick compensation being attached to him.

Oops.

You feel sorry for a guy that has made $39 million over his career? 

[Revad]

4 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

That's pretty much the upside I see to it. He fills a rotation spot for 2022, while we ponder resigning Bundy and Heaney.

On the other hand, if we blow our wad ($) now what will be left for the trade deadline?

[Angel Oracle]

The third year has to be the holdup.

[Second Base]

Typically, guys that have played for Maddon are eager to play for him again. Oddly enough, we haven't heard anything of the sort from Odorizzi. I'm probably reading too far into it though.

Maybe it's a non-factor. Maybe it's the AAV, or the third year, maybe the Angels don't even want him, or maybe it's the fact that the Angels don't have a pitching coach, or haven't made the playoffs in a long time, or maybe Jake doesn't like So-Cal. 

There's just a lot here we don't know. 

Edited February 27, 2021 by Second Base

[ThisismineScios]

4 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Typically, guys that have played for Maddon are eager to play for him again. Oddly enough, we haven't heard anything of the sort from Odorizzi. I'm probably reading too far into it though.

Maybe it's a non-factor. Maybe it's the AAV, or the third year, maybe the Angels don't even want him, or maybe it's the fact that the Angels don't have a pitching coach, or haven't made the playoffs in a long time, or maybe Jake doesn't like So-Cal. 

There's just a lot here we don't know. 

This one feels a little more likely at least than the others. A more natural fit, and some background noise to confirm. And I don’t think the Angels would hesitate for a second to move Cobb to that Andriese role. 

[Second Base]

Just now, ThisismineScios said:

This one feels a little more likely at least than the others. A more natural fit, and some background noise to confirm. And I don’t think the Angels would hesitate for a second to move Cobb to that Andriese role. 

Maybe, but they may hesitate to cut ties with Barria. They simply don't have many pitchers under contract beyond this year, and Barria has a lot of things going for him.

He learned fast as a prospect, needed very little minor league time, he did great as a rookie. He only struggled when the Angels didn't reward his success with a rotation spot, instead they demoted him to AAA and gave him a new pitching coach that has never been a pitching coach before. So he struggled. They got rid of the Pitching coach and gave him a high quality coach who helped him return to form. He did great last year and even better in the DWL. 

You have to factor in the cost of losing Barria into the cost of signing Odorizzi. To me, it's just not worth it. 

[Jay]

13 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

I mentioned this yesterday but he may be waiting for a team that's competitive to lose one of their top tier starting pitchers in hopes of getting a better deal. 

Is it just me or is that like ambulance-chasing?

@cals?

[ThisismineScios]

1 hour ago, Second Base said:

Maybe, but they may hesitate to cut ties with Barria. They simply don't have many pitchers under contract beyond this year, and Barria has a lot of things going for him.

He learned fast as a prospect, needed very little minor league time, he did great as a rookie. He only struggled when the Angels didn't reward his success with a rotation spot, instead they demoted him to AAA and gave him a new pitching coach that has never been a pitching coach before. So he struggled. They got rid of the Pitching coach and gave him a high quality coach who helped him return to form. He did great last year and even better in the DWL. 

You have to factor in the cost of losing Barria into the cost of signing Odorizzi. To me, it's just not worth it. 

Why do they have to choose? Cobb moves To the pen with Barria. They’ll get rid of Buttrey or Claudio before Barria. And you take Odorizzi over those two. 

[Second Base]

1 minute ago, ThisismineScios said:

Why do they have to choose? Cobb moves To the pen with Barria. They’ll get rid of Buttrey or Claudio before Barria. And you take Odorizzi over those two. 

They need late inning guys and outside of Iglesias and Mayers, that guy just doesn't exist if you get rid of Buttrey, who has that potential, if nothing else. Claudio is the only lefty, and they signed him as a free agent for a reason, obviously he stays. They specifically brought in Cobb to get innings at the back end, and to function as a leader in the pitching staff. Typically leaders aren't relievers, unless it's Mo Rivera. Staff leaders are starters, it's just kind of one of those things. So Cobb stays. Barria isn't a one inning specialist type either, so that idea is out the window. 

Buttrey may have one option remaining, but even then it's an imperfect fit to say the least. There's no one in the rotation to move to the pen. 

[Second Base]

I would say Cole Hamels makes the most sense of anyone if I thought he'd pitch again. So-Cal native, fits in the budget, another 1 year signing that Minasian seems to like, signed with the Braves when Minasian was there, pitched for the Cubs when Maddon was there...

But since he's 37, hasn't staged a workout, is coming off shoulder fatigue and wasn't really connected to any teams, I'm guessing he's tentatively retired unless the shoulder starts feeling better mid year.

[ThisismineScios]

 

33 minutes ago, Second Base said:

They need late inning guys and outside of Iglesias and Mayers, that guy just doesn't exist if you get rid of Buttrey, who has that potential, if nothing else. Claudio is the only lefty, and they signed him as a free agent for a reason, obviously he stays. They specifically brought in Cobb to get innings at the back end, and to function as a leader in the pitching staff. Typically leaders aren't relievers, unless it's Mo Rivera. Staff leaders are starters, it's just kind of one of those things. So Cobb stays. Barria isn't a one inning specialist type either, so that idea is out the window. 

Buttrey may have one option remaining, but even then it's an imperfect fit to say the least. There's no one in the rotation to move to the pen. 

All that makes sense. My point is if they’re considering Odorizzi there is a plan to slot him in. Maybe they go 7 man for the time being. But of the 6 they have currently I can’t see anyone but Cobb going to the pen. 

[Inside Pitch]

[Warfarin]

16 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

At this point, I'd be happy with Odorizzi. I'm with @Dochalo in that he doesn't really excite me, but if you can get him for 2/20 or hell even 2/24 I'd call that a good deal. 

I think having too many pitchers is a good thing. If they could get him soon, that could create some nice competition this spring. 

Obviously injuries are a thing. We know that as well as anyone. But maybe we haven't considered that guys like Cobb and Teheran are expendable. Yes, I know we gave up Jones for Cobb, but I think Odorizzi is a much better pitcher and I wouldn't cry if Cobb didn't make the roster. I'm not sure how that works but I assume he can be released or traded. Same with Teheran.

Heaney is an option to be traded as well, but I don't think it's a given that Odorizzi will be better than him. 

Also, if Bundy regresses, we at least have a pitcher to replace him in 2022, if we don't want to bring him back.

This is all just me thinking aloud. I don't think any of it will happen, but it's interesting, at least to me.

Yeah - at this point, if we can snag Odorizzi on a 2-year deal, I'll take it.  We don't have much signed beyond this year, but at least that'd give us Odorizzi, Canning, Ohtani, Barria, and Sandoval to start off with.  I'd like to think they'll re-sign one of their pending FAs, and then perhaps someone else on maybe a 1-year deal.

If we re-sign Bundy, then Bundy, Odorizzi, Canning, Ohtani, Sandoval, and Barria, plus possibly another FA SP, would help form a decent core.  Plus, by the start of 2022, I'd like to think Determs would be a possibility.  CRod perhaps, but given his history of injuries, I'm not really going to count on him being an option yet until I can see him pitch a full minor league season.

I know there's another thread going on about FA SPs, but I don't see us being a player for someone like Syndergaard, etc. Monster FA SP deals rarely pan out well - it's up to our FO to build strong internal options.