David Robertson

[Second Base]

Eppler pay for relief pitching? I'll believe it when I see it. 

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

53 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

That's Shane Robinson

Yes, roy, he was a Halo in 2016 and 2017.....

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, RenoHalo said:

They have to do this. Out of all the FA RP out there, no one has been more consistent than Robertson. He's still got the 'Mariano-Lite' cutter that nobody can square up consistently too. The guy who taught him that lasted a lonnnnnnnnnnng time w/minimal injuries too, so I'm not as worried about his age either. What everyone has been projecting here about our bullpen if they signed him has me salivating tbh. Bullpens are so very important (especially nowadays), it's baffling when teams who have had issues there the prior season don't go into the off-season starting there.

Because it’s the most difficult thing to project. The chances of getting your money’s worth are low. 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/why-are-relievers-so-volatile-managers-weigh-in-1.24616243

 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Jeff Fletcher

[Roy Hobbs]

32 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Yes, roy, he was a Halo in 2016 and 2017.....

Yes he was,but he is not who TORC was talking about.He was talking about Daniel Robertson who is not a Phillie.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

2 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

This would be better than that other robertson we got to play LF a few years ago.

Roy,    I assumed Shane as I don't remember a Daniel Robertson who was a left fielder for us a few years ago?.... The only Daniel Robertson I remember is the 2Bman of the Rays who was never with the Halos.

****Edit**** what do you know we had another Daniel Robertson in 2015..... https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/roberda09.shtml  

He was so good I thought he was Shane. White guys all look alike....Bwhahahhaha

 

How is Vegas treating you Roy?

[Roy Hobbs]

50 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Roy,    I assumed Shane as I don't remember a Daniel Robertson who was a left fielder for us a few years ago?.... The only Daniel Robertson I remember is the 2Bman of the Rays who was never with the Halos.

****Edit**** what do you know we had another Daniel Robertson in 2015..... https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/roberda09.shtml  

He was so good I thought he was Shane. White guys all look alike....Bwhahahhaha

 

How is Vegas treating you Roy?

White guys do all look alike Vegas is great I'm not sure how you know I live here

[Glen]

I'd love to have him but I seriously doubt we get him.

[notherhalo]

I like how AW has turned into more or less an expanded comments section for mlbtr

[Angel Oracle]

14 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Because it’s the most difficult thing to project. The chances of getting your money’s worth are low. 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/why-are-relievers-so-volatile-managers-weigh-in-1.24616243

 

Robertson's consistency, health, use of the cutter, and Ks piling up still, are all too tempting to overlook though, if talking a two year deal.

[RenoHalo]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Because it’s the most difficult thing to project. The chances of getting your money’s worth are low. 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/why-are-relievers-so-volatile-managers-weigh-in-1.24616243

 

Thx for the link Fletch. That's one of the very few articles I can ever remember reading re: mercurial relievers. It's been a 'wtf' talking point every season w/me and my baseball nerd crew. I'm less baffled now

[Docwaukee]

bullpen arms are a tough bet normally.  

you could get a 2016 Yusmeiro Petit or the 2017 version.  You could get Parker circa 2017 or the 2018 version.  Or 2017 Alvarez vs. 2018.  

Unless they are truly elite, it really is a crap shoot.  

that said, right now our depth chart is probably Buttrey, Anderson, Robles, Cole, Bedrosian, Ramirez, Felix Pena and someone from the pool of Jerez, Garcia, Brice, Jewell etc.  

is it worth $6-7 mil in order to displace one of those guys in favor of Robertson?  I think so.  

[totdprods]

I’m way in favor of Robertson, but I will say, while his age, consistency, ‘mileage’, and reliability are all reasons why he’d be a good bet...

...they’re probably also reasons why he could fall apart. Simply the nature of reliever volatility. Odds are eventually he will have a clunker or a season or two, or battle injuries, and since that hasn’t really happened yet, he could be overdue. 

Still, I think he’d be as good a bet as any to bring in, but if Eppler passes, I’ll trust his judgement. The Angels could throw ST invites at Shelby Miller, Carson Smith, AJ Ramos, Randall Delgado, Drew Hutchison, Daniel Hudson, or any number of FA relievers and probably have just as good a chance at matching Robertson’s numbers as paying him $6-10m for.

[Angel Oracle]

What happened to Carson Smith's health over the past 3 seasons?    After a great September debut in 2014 and stellar rookie season in 2015, he's only pitched 34 innings between MLB and the minors over the past 3 years.    

[Jeff Fletcher]

Classic example: Brandon Morrow. 

Dodgers got him as a non-roster invite. He became awesome for a year. He got a huge contract. Turned back into a pumpkin. 

This is not about Robertson but relievers in general. They are super hard to predict. 

[Second Base]

29 minutes ago, totdprods said:

I’m way in favor of Robertson, but I will say, while his age, consistency, ‘mileage’, and reliability are all reasons why he’d be a good bet...

...they’re probably also reasons why he could fall apart. Simply the nature of reliever volatility. Odds are eventually he will have a clunker or a season or two, or battle injuries, and since that hasn’t really happened yet, he could be overdue. 

Still, I think he’d be as good a bet as any to bring in, but if Eppler passes, I’ll trust his judgement. The Angels could throw ST invites at Shelby Miller, Carson Smith, AJ Ramos, Randall Delgado, Drew Hutchison, Daniel Hudson, or any number of FA relievers and probably have just as good a chance at matching Robertson’s numbers as paying him $6-10m for.

This is exactly what I'd be doing if I were Eppler. Sign Miller, Smith and maybe even Pomeranz to one year, incentive laden deals. Get a good look in ST. If it doesn't work, you only burnt a million or two, and even then those guys may accept an assignment to AAA with the hand shake assurance that they'll be promoted at some point in the season, not only to help the team win but also as a showcase of sorts.

Believe it or not, this happens very frequently. 

[Docwaukee]

I just really want to displace Noe Ramirez.  

Parker, Alvarez, Johnson, and the rag tag of Mcguire, Paredes, Morris, Wood, Bard, Drake, Tazawa, Almonte, Despaigne, etc.  can be replaced by Buttrey, Robles, Cole, Anderson etc.  I am hoping Pena can be more Petit than Ramirez.  

It really does feel like we're one solid guy short.  

a couple minor league contracts we could explore are Drew Storen, Zach McCallister, Daniel Hudson, AJ Ramos, Shawn Kelley, Adam Warren, Carson Smith, Nate Karns, Jeremy Helickson, Drew Pomeranz.  A few of those guys will get major league deals but they're worth watching.  A 2-3m guarantee for someone like Kelley, Helickson or Pomeranz wouldn't hurt too bad.  

 

 

 

[Docwaukee]

33 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Classic example: Brandon Morrow. 

Dodgers got him as a non-roster invite. He became awesome for a year. He got a huge contract. Turned back into a pumpkin. 

This is not about Robertson but relievers in general. They are super hard to predict. 

he was good until he got injured.  

[Tank]

7 hours ago, Glen said:

I'd love to have him but I seriously doubt we get him.

it costs nothing to give david robertson a call and see what his interest is in coming west and what it would cost to sign him.

I'd like to have him here, too.

 

[maestro]

8 minutes ago, Tank said:

it costs nothing to give david robinson a call and see what his interest is in coming west and what it would cost to sign him.

I'd like to have him here, too.

The admiral would be a fantastic addition to the Angels

[Tank]

1 minute ago, kj_maestro said:

The admiral would be a fantastic addition to the Angels

yeah, but he's old and has slowed down. 

and crouching is just simply out of the question anymore.

*sigh*

[Billy_Ball]

 

[Blarg]

14 hours ago, Dochalo said:

I just really want to displace Noe Ramirez.  

Ramirez was over used last year and for only one reason, he was available all year. With the attrition throughout the pitching staff, Ramirez was called on way more than his skill set and endrance could support but he finished the season racking up 83 innings, the most of any on the relief staff. 

I think he can be useful next season but in a more reasonably limited role. Last year circumstances did not allow. 

[Docwaukee]

4 hours ago, Blarg said:

Ramirez was over used last year and for only one reason, he was available all year. With the attrition throughout the pitching staff, Ramirez was called on way more than his skill set and endrance could support but he finished the season racking up 83 innings, the most of any on the relief staff. 

I think he can be useful next season but in a more reasonably limited role. Last year circumstances did not allow. 

this could be true and I certainly hope it is.  He was pretty good through his first 37 innings or so giving up only 3 hrs  and then gave up 12 hrs in his next 46.  

the 83 total is the most he's thrown in any season of his entire career including the minors.  

[wopphil]

I think Robertson is going to cost much more than people might think. I am guessing he gets something between 2/24 and 3/33.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, wopphil said:

I think Robertson is going to cost much more than people might think. I am guessing he gets something between 2/24 and 3/33.

Since basically everyone has cost more than I thought they would this off season I would agree with this.  Also if he wants to be back east, I would assume you would have to severely over pay to get him to be here for more than one year.