Kenny, Rosenthal and O’Dowd each prefer Trout for AL MVP

[Angelsfirst]

Will be fun to watch. Here's hoping for a scalding hot streak these last couple of weeks. 

[Troll Daddy]

 I already have my money on Trout ... fingers crossed.

Betts and Altuve passed the 200 hit mark.

[Angelsjunky]

Betts will probably lose some votes to Ortiz, so that hurts him. Altuve has slowed down and has seen his formerly astronomical .360ish BA turn into a still-great-but-terrestrial .330ish. Donaldson has also dropped his production. Machado is back in the mix. Trout is not only hampered by playing on the Angels, but he is unlikely to reach 100 RBI and the voters won't like that. If he reaches 30 HR and 100 RBI, his chances are boosted.

Anyhow, it really is up for grabs. While Trout should win, and I think he has a good chance of it, it really isn't clear who will take it home (unlike the NL).

[Angelsjunky]

56 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

 I already have my money on Trout ... fingers crossed.

Betts and Altuve passed the 200 hit mark.

Yet another thing the voters will be dumb about.

How about this: Hits + Walks + HBP:

277 Trout

263 Altuve

260 Donaldson

246 Betts

234 Ortiz

228 Machado
 

[Angelsjunky]

Here's another great Trout stat: Of 76 AL qualifiers, he is last in GDP with 4.

[Mad5577]

1 hour ago, Troll Daddy said:

 I already have my money on Trout ... fingers crossed.

Betts and Altuve passed the 200 hit mark.

Betts has 635 AB compare to 515 for Trout... 

[Mad5577]

24 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Betts will probably lose some votes to Ortiz, so that hurts him. Altuve has slowed down and has seen his formerly astronomical .360ish BA turn into a still-great-but-terrestrial .330ish. Donaldson has also dropped his production. Machado is back in the mix. Trout is not only hampered by playing on the Angels, but he is unlikely to reach 100 RBI and the voters won't like that. If he reaches 30 HR and 100 RBI, his chances are boosted.

Anyhow, it really is up for grabs. While Trout should win, and I think he has a good chance of it, it really isn't clear who will take it home (unlike the NL).

i agree, if he reaches 30-100, he will have a much better chance. he will need a monster game somewhere down the line.

he reached 10 WAR already

[Mad5577]

18 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Here's another great Trout stat: Of 76 AL qualifiers, he is last in GDP with 4.

23 times Albert grounds into double play...

[Troll Daddy]

1 hour ago, Mad5577 said:

Betts has 635 AB compare to 515 for Trout... 

That's because Trout gets walked more often

[Taylor]

22 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Don't read the comments unless you want to lose your faith in humanity. Good lord.

 

[Angel Oracle]

16 minutes ago, Taylor said:

 

Dubinsky?

Any relation to the girl (Shelley) that Otter picks up in Animal House?  lol

Skanks haven't exactly been relevant themselves in several years.

[Chuck]

Mike Trout now has a 10 WAR on the season. 

[Puget Sound Angel]

Oh please, anyone but that juicer David Ortiz

 

[Angelsjunky]

It is odd how different WAR systems are. He's at 8.7 in Fangraphs' version, basically because Fangraphs version see his defense as essentially average while BR sees it as good to very good.

[Chuck]

31 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

It is odd how different WAR systems are. He's at 8.7 in Fangraphs' version, basically because Fangraphs version see his defense as essentially average while BR sees it as good to very good.

This is where I have an issue with Fangraphs. 

[Oz27]

55 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

It is odd how different WAR systems are. He's at 8.7 in Fangraphs' version, basically because Fangraphs version see his defense as essentially average while BR sees it as good to very good.

Fangraphs WAR is a lot better, but BR tends to prefer Trout so that's fine with me!

[Chuck]

9 minutes ago, Oz27 said:

Fangraphs WAR is a lot better, but BR tends to prefer Trout so that's fine with me!

I've heard mixed opinions on which one is better from the experts. I'll go with BR's since they value Trout's D more than Fangraphs, which is a no brainer IMO. 

[Oz27]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

I've heard mixed opinions on which one is better from the experts. I'll go with BR's since they value Trout's D more than Fangraphs, which is a no brainer IMO. 

They both have flaws and sometimes I still look at a player on either one and just think "that's not right". For example, Fangraphs has Ricky Nolasco as a better than 2 WAR pitcher and that seems awfully generous. I prefer Fangraphs' way of calculating oWAR and pitcher WAR but Baseball-Reference uses defensive runs saved for dWAR and that is probably the most accurate one. You get some serious outliers doing it that way though and that's the problem with it. In reality, no defensive WAR calculation is perfect or even close to it but some of the stuff MLB Advanced Media is doing with the Statcast data means we'll have a much better idea of a player's defensive value pretty soon.

[Chuck]

Just now, Oz27 said:

They both have flaws and sometimes I still look at a player on either one and just think "that's not right". For example, Fangraphs has Ricky Nolasco as a better than 2 WAR pitcher and that seems awfully generous. I prefer Fangraphs' way of calculating oWAR and pitcher WAR but Baseball-Reference uses defensive runs saved for dWAR and that is probably the most accurate one. You get some serious outliers doing it that way though and that's the problem with it. In reality, no defensive WAR calculation is perfect or even close to it but some of the stuff MLB Advanced Media is doing with the Statcast data means we'll have a much better idea of a player's defensive value pretty soon.

They should just join forces and have one universal WAR.

[stormngt]

3 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Dubinsky?

Any relation to the girl (Shelley) that Otter picks up in Animal House?  lol

Skanks haven't exactly been relevant themselves in several years.

How the hell would you know Shelly's last name?  Watch the movie that often?

[tdawg87]

3 hours ago, Puget Sound Angel said:

Oh please, anyone but that juicer David Ortiz

 

If a DH wins the MVP it will officially ruin the award forever.

[beatlesrule]

On 9/20/2016 at 11:05 AM, VariousCrap said:

Trout deserves the MVP.  I know it.  You know it.  Vegetable Lasagna knows it. 

Please, please.  I don't want to get involved.

[ScottT]

Bottom line is Trout has the best numbers across the board.   

The arguments against him being the MVP are ludicrous.  JP Morosi yesterday gave Betts credit for being a great right fielder that moved from second base. Maybe he is a great right fielder, but who cares how he got there?  I'm much more interested in the value provided by a CF vs a RF.   

[ScottT]

1.000 OPS after that home run.

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, stormngt said:

How the hell would you know Shelly's last name?  Watch the movie that often?

You even need to ask?    Classic satire