Point Counterpoint Quick Hit – Is It Time To Fire Scioscia?

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By Nate Trop & Glen McKee, AngelsWin.com Staff Columnists -

It’s two games into the regular season and as usual, the Angels look as flat as Twiggy (alert: old person reference!).  Every spring training the Angels are like “Bend over and get ready to take it baby, because it’s coming!” and then the regular season starts and they drop their drawers to reveal a micro-penis.  These continual slow starts prompt Roger Loge and other talking heads to invoke the spirit of 2002 – the actual spirit, not the incredibly handsome and witty AngelsWin.com poster who used to go by that name but is now Godfrey or something similar.  Folks, this isn’t 2002 but we keep hearing this every time we have a slow start, which is almost every year, and the one thing that has remained the same is the guy at the helm.  So, here’s a quick hit of Point/Counterpoint (PCP) Debate on everyone’s favorite subject, to get the year started:  Should Scioscia be fired?

YES! – By Glen.  I know, it’s not gonna happen.  But please, indulge me a bit.  Every year we see the same thing no matter who is on the team.  Every year we start out by tipping our cap and talking about how the opposing pitchers were on their game and hitting their spots, and how we have some guys scuffling and trying to work some things out.

That’s what spring training is for.  Working things out.  We started last year looking flaccid against the eventual World Series champion Royals (this bodes well for the Cubs), getting swept.  We missed the playoffs by one game.  If we’d won just one of those games against the Royals we could have made the playoffs and then been swept out of them like in 2014.  

Scioscia is the head of the snake that needs to be chopped off.  Every year it’s the same thing.  A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.  It’s time to be inconsistent.  Fire him now, fire him later in the season, or fire him after the season ends (unless the Angels make the playoffs, of course, in which case he’s a genius).  Just fire him sometime this year.

No! – By Nate.  By now I am well established as a huge Scioscia fan so I don’t need to explain my credentials.  I was just explaining to my Dad that Arte needs to give Eppler time, he can’t keep going through GMs like CJ Wilson goes through excuses.  For that same reason, the Angels need to keep Scioscia to give Eppler some stability at the start of his tenure.

Really, this whole mess is on Arte.  He keeps trying to run the team using his marketing acumen instead of letting the baseball people run the team.  This team resembles a Bernie Sanders policy, way too expensive and destined for failure.  Arte doomed this team from years of signing over priced free agents, trading away depth, firing scouts, GM changes, and bad organizational management and turned a dynasty into a flop.  It really sucks because we have the best player on the planet and we got him at the absolute low point in the last two decades.  Not even Mike Trout can save this team.  

Fans being excited for pre-season is what it has come to.  Scioscia even challenged a play during the Spring… think about that for a second, five games ended in a tie, the record means nothing, and Scioscia challenged a f*#$ing play.  Maybe Scioscia was just practicing for this season which also doesn’t matter, because they were never going to win anything meaningful. 

So… since this season was going to be crap before it even started… fire the fat man once it is over then we will finally be rid of him!

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[Stradling]

Yes, then fire the next manager after a two game losing streak, then fire the next one after losing back to back games, and so on and so on and so on.

[nando714]

Are we seriously having this conversation again?

[Thomas]

Is this a record for fewest games in?

[Make Angels Great Again]

Nate can't avoid bagging on Bernie, even in a fire scioscia thread.

[Make Angels Great Again]

And yeah, if Scioscia hasn't been canned by now its simply not gonna happen.

[Chuck]

Yeah, Scioscia is not going anywhere. 

 

Remember back in '02 everyone wanted him fired after that 6-14 start. 

 

Did Scioscia do anything different? Nope. Did the players start playing better, absolutely. He kept telling them even in the midst of that awful opening to the season that they're  a championship caliber team. 

[nate]

Is this a record for fewest games in?

 

It is never too early

[fan_since79]

Scioscia teams are simply unprepared for Opening Day. Year after year, a great spring followed by a loud thud.

[nando714]

Remember back in '02 everyone wanted him fired after that 6-14 start.

Trolling

[Troll Daddy]

Scioscia teams are simply unprepared for Opening Day. Year after year, a great spring followed by a loud thud.

What a crock of ....

[yk9001]

He won a world series for us 14 years ago.  He's got a grace period, ya know!

[yk9001]

btw, what if the stinking Genius Arte Moreno gets involved in the manager selection.  It will only make matters worse.  We end up with someone who won a World Series 10 years ago, but his skills are fading.

[Troll Daddy]

When your "best player in baseball" can't buy a hit .., then we won't win too many series. Hard to believe two games into the season and we're talking about Scioscia.

[fan_since79]

If we make the playoffs and get past the first round, I hope Arte doesn't think about extending him for say, another five years.

[RallyPanda]

His time was up in 2010.

[laagamer]

You know what makes a great manager?

Good players.

I fail to see how our lack of talent is Sciosca's problem.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

[JarsOfClay]

His time was up in 2010.

 

He pretty much this, Scioscia should have been fired several years ago.  Scioscia knows it, even Arte Morono knows it as well, he just doesnt want to pay him off on his contract.

 

So were stuck with Sciocia making bad in game decisions, poor preparation, and going through the motions because he could give two shits about anything but his paycheck.

[JarsOfClay]

You know what makes a great manager?

Good players.

I fail to see how our lack of talent is Sciosca's problem.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

 

Lack of talent?  What about 2012?  So much lack of talent on that team.

[Glen]

After we go 0-3 tonight people will start jumping on my bandwagon.

[Stradling]

Lack of talent? What about 2012? So much lack of talent on that team.

While I agree with you on the level of talent back then, the bottom line was they didn't fire him then. Not to mention in 2012 we had no bullpen. So should he be fired after an 0-2 start, of course not.

[Stradling]

What a crock of ....

It is what it is TD, the Angels consistently get out of the gate slowly. I am not sure how much of it is on Scioscia, but it is a fact, it isn't something someone made up. If you have stats showing he's wrong we would love to see them. You can't argue that, just like they can't argue that Scioscia led teams play better after April most years.

[Troll Daddy]

It is what it is TD, the Angels consistently get out of the gate slowly. I am not sure how much of it is on Scioscia, but it is a fact, it isn't something someone made up. If you have stats showing he's wrong we would love to see them. You can't argue that, just like they can't argue that Scioscia led teams play better after April most years.

They had a very good ST ... that's all you can ask for going into the season. If your stars can't buy a hit and your two best starters falter ... guess what?

My eyes are on our division ... Texas will be our first real test.

No offense but you seem to always follow the crowd here.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Troll Daddy

[itsTroutahere]

Lack of talent?  What about 2012?  So much lack of talent on that team.

 

I guess you missed the best player in baseball failed too!  So should he be fired as well?  

 

2 games and this thread is created, by weak minded fools trying to stimulate conversations on a message board only to create a potential of more revenue. 

[AngelsLongBall]

After we go 0-3 tonight people will start jumping on my bandwagon.

Does your bandwagon contain a blouse-full of goodies?