Climate Change

[ABC]

Are humans having a significant impact in causing climate change?

Edited March 24, 2016 by ____

[TobiasFunke]

This thread is basically "do you believe in climate change?"

[ABC]

Everyone believes in it. However do you believe man has impacted climate change in a negative way.

[Jay]

I think man has had few positive impacts on anything.

[Stradling]

I'll answer this question in about 300 years

[ABC]

You don't think there is enough information now to make a determination?

[Stradling]

I'm not passionate enough to care. My understanding is that throughout our time on earth there have been times of higher temperatures and times of lower temperatures. I have a brother in law that is a doctor of science who does strange things with atoms at one of the poles (north or south) and he believes there is a connection between man and climate change.

[Jay]

You don't think there is enough information now to make a determination?

 

no

 

The El Nino predictions were a fail.

[ABC]

At first I thought you were joking, now I don't.

[mtangelsfan]

I think the better question is can humans fix climate change at all.

[ABC]

If humans try, then yes. But that'll take effort.

 

I tend to be optimistic.

[mtangelsfan]

The problem is all humans would have to try.  But we know places like China, India, Bangladesh will not.

[ABC]

I think it can be fixed without them on board. Even it takes these countries to participate that doesn't mean that others shouldn't start and try to get them to join later.

[red321]

The problem is all humans would have to try.  But we know places like China, India, Bangladesh will not.

 

Really?

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-02/by-the-numbers-china-s-clean-energy-investments-show-big-strides

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/24/un-china-india-driving-new-clean-energy-investments/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/at-climate-talks-three-letters-almost-sunk-the-deal

 

 

This is not to say countries like China and India are perfect partners...but this idea that the US should just sit on it's hands because other countries might not be making as many investments makes no sense. Hell, just from an energy independence and economic standpoint it makes all the sense in the world. The US had the chance to be the leading clean/renewable energy manufacturer in the world and is just throwing the opportunity away.

[mtangelsfan]

Really?

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-02/by-the-numbers-china-s-clean-energy-investments-show-big-strides

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/24/un-china-india-driving-new-clean-energy-investments/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/at-climate-talks-three-letters-almost-sunk-the-deal

 

 

This is not to say countries like China and India are perfect partners...but this idea that the US should just sit on it's hands because other countries might not be making as many investments makes no sense. Hell, just from an energy independence and economic standpoint it makes all the sense in the world. The US had the chance to be the leading clean/renewable energy manufacturer in the world and is just throwing the opportunity away.

 

ugh, this argument is stupid.  bottom line is that every country will give lip service but not many will really do anything against its own interests.  Especially the good ol' usa.

[Jason]

Everyone believes in it. However do you believe man has impacted climate change in a negative way.

Of course we affect it. Just not in the doomsday way that the Al Gores of the world would have us believe.

[red321]

So, your answer is just ignore everything and do nothing instead?

 

Hey, the fat ass down the street isn't going to diet, so screw it, give me a double pepperoni pizza

 

Would certainly save the folks in Florida some cash

 

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/what-climate-change-looks-like-miami-pumps

 

City of Miami is spending $300-400 million to fend off the sea (an it won't work anyways seeing as Florida is built on porous limestone)

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/what-works-miami-beach-sea-level-rise-213731

[mtangelsfan]

So, your answer is just ignore everything and do nothing instead?

 

Hey, the fat ass down the street isn't going to diet, so screw it, give me a double pepperoni pizza

 

Would certainly save the folks in Florida some cash

 

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/what-climate-change-looks-like-miami-pumps

 

City of Miami is spending $300-400 million to fend off the sea (an it won't work anyways seeing as Florida is built on porous limestone)

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/what-works-miami-beach-sea-level-rise-213731

 

You can't convince me that you really care about what happens to Florida.

[Adam]

Florida is argument 1-100 as to why we should do nothing!

[InsideThePark]

It's stupid how this became a political issue. Our conservatives are the worst in regards to this. Republicans are paid off by oil companies to tell their base that we can't make a termination and their voters are naive enough to go along with it because it's their guys saying it. Cons around the world for the most part accept the science.

Edited March 24, 2016 by InsideThePark

[red321]

You can't convince me that you really care about what happens to Florida.

 

laugh...ok

 

We'll all just sit back and watch what happens when there are millions of refugees from the state of Florida in the next few decades...when they don't have things like fresh water, or land...because that will be cheaper than doing nothing.

[mtangelsfan]

laugh...ok

 

We'll all just sit back and watch what happens when there are millions of refugees from the state of Florida in the next few decades...when they don't have things like fresh water, or land...because that will be cheaper than doing nothing.

 

It was a joke.  Sheesh.

[red321]

Florida is argument 1-100 as to why we should do nothing!

 

I would agree, to an extent, that we should be taking a close look at each situation. There are certainly areas where that would be throwing good money after bad. It's like those people who build in the dry hillsides and then wonder why their house keeps burning down. Anyone stupid enough to invest significant money in South Florida right now deserves what they get.

 

Unfortunately it's easy to just think, ****'em....but that can potentially create other problems. What do you do with the refugees? What would a crashing Florida, North Carolina, Virginia Beach, etc. real estate market do to the economy? How many insurance companies simply just declare bankruptcy. And in the long run...what's actually more cost effective?

 

Those are the conversations we should be having.

[ABC]

It's stupid how this became a political issue. Our conservatives are the worst in regards to this. Republicans are paid off by oil companies to tell their base that we can't make a termination and their voters are naive enough to go along with it because it's their guys saying it. Cons around the world for the most part accept the science.

 

Merchants of Doubt is an interesting documentary. It's ultimately a warning for climate change but it shows tactics employed by special interests on several issues. 

 

[Amazing Larry]

We'll all just sit back and watch what happens when there are millions of refugees from the state of Florida in the next few decades...

 

Hahaha.

 

 

Oh... you were serious.