Cargo

[Chuck]

I have a feeling we're going to trade for him.

 

The guy went on a tear last year and was hitting bombs outside of Coors Field too. 

 

Good defensive LF to my knowledge and we're only on the hook for two seasons with him. 

 

Thoughts?

[UndertheHalo]

i'd be happy to have him but what bullets do we have to acquire him.  Seems really unlikely to me.  I just dont think we can put a compelling package together for a guy like him.

[Ohtaniland]

I have a feeling we're going to trade for him.

The guy went on a tear last year and was hitting bombs outside of Coors Field too.

Good defensive LF to my knowledge and we're only on the hook for two seasons with him.

Thoughts?

It's going to cost a ton to get him. Miami already wants a ton for Jose Fernandez. Edited December 9, 2015 by CALZONE

[Chuck]

The Rockies may take Cron and Skaggs or Santiago for him. It would relieve them of 38 million bucks over the next two years too. 

[Erstad Grit]

should have gotten him last year instead of our platoon adds. we would have won the west and made a run.

[Coachbulldog]

The Rockies may take Cron and Skaggs or Santiago for him. It would relieve them of 38 million bucks over the next two years too. 

 

Getting rid of the remaining $38 million of CarGo's contract would be of paramount importance to the Rockies. That said, I think Colorado could do better than Cron and Skaggs in a CarGo deal. 

[Ochocinco!]

We have nothing to give for Cargo. It would take Heaney or Richard's plus some if we werent going down the prospect road. Which would be the case considering we have none.

[Adam]

Eppler doesn't have enough to overpay CO for him

[LightTheHalo]

I'd hate to do it, but they could trade Newcomb and Ellis for CarGo.

 

Oh, wait.

[Docwaukee]

no thanks.  his home/away splits are just too extreme.  Anaheim kills lefties on top of it.  

 

His .864 ops looks pretty sexy but when park factors are accounted for, it's an ops+ of 116.  Cron's ops+ was 106 this year.  He's 25 and getting better.  Granted, he can't play LF, but there are other options out there.  Frankly, I'd much rather have Ethier in a deal for Wilson.   

 

Also, he's locked up for two years.  So we need to start the search over in short order and then we'd need a DH.  

 

We can't take away from the offense at this point.  

[Homebrewer]

I felt they should have made a move for him at last season's deadline.

 

If they were going to move Ellis-Newcomb anyhow, why the **** didn't they go after a guy who WOULD have put them in the playoffs last year?

 

Asleep at the wheel, IMO.

Plus, he is going to cost a lot more now during "hot stove crazy money season", than he would have then. 

[Angelsfirst]

I felt they should have made a move for him at last season's deadline.

If they were going to move Ellis-Newcomb anyhow, why the **** didn't they go after a guy who WOULD have put them in the playoffs last year?

Asleep at the wheel, IMO.

Plus, he is going to cost a lot more now during "hot stove crazy money season", than he would have then.

Absolutely agree. Probably because the front office was a mess last year after Jerry left. Who knows, but It definitely wouldn't have hurt as much giving up guys like Ellis and Newcomb for an impactful bat like Cargo or someone else along those lines.

[bloodbrother]

Don't see this happening. There are just too many quality FA options available to them in the OF whereas the FA market at 2B and 3B is paper thin. Angels have very little resources as it is so they're best bet is to use them to fill a hole at 2B or 3B and then sign one of the many OF options

[Inside Pitch]

no thanks.  his home/away splits are just too extreme.  Anaheim kills lefties on top of it.  

 

His .864 ops looks pretty sexy but when park factors are accounted for, it's an ops+ of 116.  Cron's ops+ was 106 this year.  He's 25 and getting better.  Granted, he can't play LF, but there are other options out there.  Frankly, I'd much rather have Ethier in a deal for Wilson.   

 

Also, he's locked up for two years.  So we need to start the search over in short order and then we'd need a DH.  

 

We can't take away from the offense at this point.  

 

All this makes sense and is intelligent but..  Cargo is a name, he hits HRs so -- deaf ears.

[Angelsfirst]

All this makes sense and is intelligent but.. Cargo is a name, he hits HRs so -- deaf ears.

Cargo's OPS+ was 116 last year. Heyward's was 116. Sure Carlos' power numbers were helped out by Coors but he has significantly more power than Heyward and plays solid defense. Personally I'd rather take a gamble on two years of Cargo at 38 million than 10 years and 200 million for Heyward or whatever crazy numbers he's projected to get. I just don't know that we have the pieces to get it done. I know I know, Heyward defense and run prevention blah.

[nikkachez]

I think they go the FA route for LF with all of the options available. Use the few, precious trade assets left to get a third or second baseman with the FA market being weak in those areas. 

[WallyWorld]

I felt they should have made a move for him at last season's deadline.

 

If they were going to move Ellis-Newcomb anyhow, why the **** didn't they go after a guy who WOULD have put them in the playoffs last year?

 

Asleep at the wheel, IMO.

Plus, he is going to cost a lot more now during "hot stove crazy money season", than he would have then. 

 

You forget that we changed GMs between last year's deadline and now. Likely that Dipoto was NOT planning on trading Newcomb/Ellis, but then Eppler came in and had different plans. These are the things that happen when you have internal problems and are forced to change GMs.

 

On a side note - if it took Newcomb and Ellis to land Simmons in a trade, I highly doubt they would have netted us Cargo. Seems like Newcomb had less trade value than we all thought.

Edited December 9, 2015 by WallyWorld

[Inside Pitch]

Personally I'd rather take a gamble on two years of Cargo at 38 million than 10 years and 200 million for Heyward or whatever crazy numbers he's projected to get. I just don't know that we have the pieces to get it done. I know I know, Heyward defense and run prevention blah.

 

That's a fair argument, there is less risk involved in 2 years of Cargo than 10 or whatever of Heyward.   But as you correctly pointed out -- we lack the pieces to make that sort of acquisition.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Inside Pitch

[mrwicked]

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[Homebrewer]

You forget that we changed GMs between last year's deadline and now. Likely that Dipoto was NOT planning on trading Newcomb/Ellis, but then Eppler came in and had different plans. These are the things that happen when you have internal problems and are forced to change GMs.

On a side note - if it took Newcomb and Ellis to land Simmons in a trade, I highly doubt they would have netted us Cargo. Seems like Newcomb had less trade value than we all thought.

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No, I didn't forget we lost our GM...but we had an office full of assistants and VP's and scouts, and Stoneman stepped right in to his office. I thought about that while posting, but decided, you know what? That's no excuse. They went out and got a handful of scrubs to fill LF and the bench instead of adding an impact player. They played it scared, and Stoneman has always been known to favor keeping every young pitcher he has ever had. I saw it as weak then, and if they go out and get Cargo now, it really makes doing nothing last year look like a weak move.

No excuse for that, just trigger shy and asleep at the wheel.

And I wasn't saying Newcomb and Ellis would have been enough for Cargo, what I was saying was that Newcomb would have been the main piece we had, and the piece any team would want in order to talk about a major trade. It obviously would have taken more, but it would have had to start with Newcomb.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Homebrewer

[AngelsLakersFan]

It should take less than Newcomb to get Cargo. He's only signed for 2 more years at a higher salary, older, and not as good. His main talent was exaggerated in his home park, where as Angel stadium would negatively impact it. 

[Turd Ferguson]

Rockies also making Dickerson and Blackmon available. Both are intriguing.

[The_Outrunner]

I wish we could get blackmon but there's no way we could

[Sam Sanchez]

Dickerson and Blackmon are scary.

 

Charlie Blackmon:

Home: .334 / .386/ .887 ops

Away: .241 / .283 / .653 ops

 

 

Corey Dickerson:

Home: .355 / .410 / 1.085 ops

Away:  .249 / .286 / .695 ops

 

 

 

Those are pretty damn extreme.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Sam Sanchez

[arch stanton]

I believe CarGo's CBT hit is only about $11.5 mil so he'd be great to get if we could work out a multi-team trade and maybe take some salary as a tradeoff for lack of prospects. i'm not as concerned about the Coors splits as some here are. I think good hitters can make the transition. And even though the Big A is rough on lefty power hitters we need a lefty to hit between Trout and Pujols who can actually scare the other team and do some damage to power righty relievers.