Angels trade for Andrelton Simmons - Aybar, Newcomb, Ellis & $2.5mm to Braves $*#&

[Hollyw00d]

I'm still angry that the Angels mortgaged their future to rent Greinke.

How did the angels do in the playoffs that year?

[Hollyw00d]

With alot of road games at HOU & TEX I expect his HR numbers climb up a little.

Also isn't Anaheim more hitter friendly compared to Atlanta ?

No, not at all

[fan_since79]

Doesn't Simmons also have good speed? I know he doesn't steal much but I think he's at least as fast as Aybar.

 

That's an understatement. Five stolen bases last year.

[dimitrig]

That's an understatement. Five stolen bases last year.

 

Mike will send him much more often for better or worse. Pujols stole 5 bases last year!

Edited November 14, 2015 by dimitrig

[101halo]

Mike will send him much more often for better or worse. Pujols stole 5 bases last year!

Wow I only remember 1 of those. Were the other 4 as terrifying? Ha.

[ukyah]

Lets also remember that Simmons was playing for a team with ZERO HOPE of making the playoffs.

 

 

With alot of road games at HOU & TEX I expect his HR numbers climb up a little.

Also isn't Anaheim more hitter friendly compared to Atlanta ?

 

 

atlanta was 18th in park factor last year in runs and angel stadium was 29th out of 30. it's about as pitcher friendly as it gets.

Edited November 14, 2015 by ukyah

[m0nkey]

This is bullshit!

[wopphil]

On 11/12/2015 at 7:50 PM, wopphil said:

We gave up one year of Aybar, one prospect in the top 25, and another on the fringe of the top 100, for five years of one of the better shortstops in the game at a reasonable contract. A guy who a couple years ago was worth 7.0 WAR.

Whether you like the trade or not, I struggle to see how we over-paid.

Well said @wopphil. You sound like a smart guy.

[wopphil]

And for when this thread gets bumped again in five years, mark these words: Simmons will accumulate more bWAR this year alone than Newcomb will over his entire career.

[DMVol]

I thought it was a bad deal and I was wrong....others agreed and disagreed at the time....I think it's time to move on....but that's just me...

[ettin]

This is a fantastic thread to go back through and use the 'Haha' emoji with I'll be busy for the next couple of hours thanks for bumping!

[Chuck]

On 11/12/2015 at 4:09 PM, Chuckster70 said:

Bring back Dipoto. 

 

Booo! 

I wish I could thumbs down my own post. 

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 4:14 PM, Troll Daddy said:

Born on my oldest son's birthday ... I like him already.

Once again TD is ahead of the curve....

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 4:24 PM, halobob said:

The fact that AW hates this trade from the get go means it will be a rousing success for the Halos.

Brilliant!

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 4:25 PM, The_Outrunner said:

I put my phone down to have a nice dinner with the fiancé..... Then I almost throw up said dinner

When I read this again, now, it reminded me of the time my dog Tweety Bird (God rest her soul) threw up her chicken dinner and then immediately ate it again.

[DMVol]

2 minutes ago, ettin said:

When I read this again, now, it reminded me of the time my dog Tweety Bird (God rest her soul) threw up her chicken dinner and then immediately ate it again.

Leftovers are always better....

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 5:14 PM, martinpa25 said:

Cheer up guys..he's called simba...simba goes on to become king

Brilliant!

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 5:37 PM, ettin said:

While this was happening I was finishing up my Primer on Shortstop.... I feel like we will regret this trade in the long run. However Simmons certainly brings an elite defensive presence so we did improve for the next four years. But the cost of two young quality starting pitchers plus one year of Aybar was an expensive price to pay.

Bottom line now is Arte better spend big this offseason because he just sacrificed a big part of our future.

Not-so-brilliant!

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 6:41 PM, ettin said:

It's not screw it and do it, they HAVE to do it now or this trade makes no sense!

Oh my! More brilliancy on my part! I'm doing a Trump double-down! Yikes!

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 6:48 PM, ettin said:

In terms of their current trade value this was about an even trade. Long term the Angels will regret this trade particularly if they don't do some damage in the postseason.

But all of this clearly points to the primary tenet of my Primer Series which is to build a winning core of players through Mike Trout's controllable years and Simmons, no matter how you feel about this trade, will make our infield defense very good as his range will allow the Angels to put marginal defensive players at the keystone and hot corner which was looking like what was going to have to happen based on the available pool of players.

For instance in the Second Base article you'll notice that most of our choices and options internally and in free agency and trade were offensive types not defensive ones. Putting someone like Simmons at SS will create less pressure to find good defensive solutions at 2B and 3B, although certainly you'd love to have that there anyway.

This is the part of the movie '300' where after all the arrows reign down on the Spartans, King Leonidas stands up and says "Recover!"

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 7:28 PM, ettin said:

 

I'm speaking mostly about defensive range here tennis. The talk about trying Kubitza out at 2B is making more sense now in light of this Simmons trade. He has a powerful throwing arm and all reports point to solid fielding/glove work so not having great range at the keystone wouldn't be as terrible with Andrelton running everything down up the middle and Kubitza is controllable for several years just like Simmons.

Ouch! WTF was wrong with me in this thread?!?!?

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 10:19 PM, ettin said:

 

We should be really careful talking about that 17 HR season which was an outlier. He's more of a single digits HR type.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/spraycharts.aspx?playerid=10847&position=SS&type=battedball&pid2=10847&ss1=2013&se1=2013&ss2=2013&se2=2013&cht1=hittype&cht2=battedball&vs1=ALL&vs2=ALL

Good God, someone tell me to STFU. These were my formative years.

[Stradling]

25 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I wish I could thumbs down my own post. 

You're welcome. 

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 10:28 PM, calscuf said:

My prediction, though it looks like it might be a little late: Chuck will be angry, then soften, then defend the trade.

Hey Chuck.

LOL

[ettin]

On 11/12/2015 at 10:28 PM, 101halo said:

 

It's over 8 min long but worth it. Might change the opinion on how valuable defense CAN be after watching it. Still don't like the cost, but dude is AMAZING defensively.

We all loved to rail on the "omg how can MVP voters ignore defense of Trout vs Cabrera" until suddenly we've forgotten how valuable it can be because we didn't want to give up Nuke.

We know nothing Jon Snows.