Bernie Sanders

[fan_since79]

Sanders announced in Oakland yesterday that he would fight to make public colleges and universities tuition free. No wonder the young people love him.

 

But I suppose, since Obama is ready to forgive the trillion dollars in student loan debt, anything is possible these days.

[Jay]

something something ... rich people bad

something something ... I'll give you free stuff

something something ... racism

something something ... war on women

 

The only thing that the tuition giveaways will accomplish is to drive up the cost of tuition even higher, which will leave more middle-class people out of the picture.  Seems like every time the government tries to nationalize something the cost goes up and the quality goes down.

[Adam]

Libertarians and Socialists should focus on gaining seats in local government first. 

 

It really doesn't matter what Bern wants, the legislature will continue to pander to its pals. 

 

I'd guess the majority of the people who are going to see Bern speak couldn't tell you who their city councilmen, assemblymen, state senators, etc. are. 

[red321]

Sanders announced in Oakland yesterday that he would fight to make public colleges and universities tuition free. No wonder the young people love him.

 

But I suppose, since Obama is ready to forgive the trillion dollars in student loan debt, anything is possible these days.

 

He brought that up last night and it was a big applause line for sure. As someone who is helping a daughter through college right now, the costs are exorbitant for sure and she is lining herself up with lots of debt unfortunately. Think we figured it as close to 30-35k a year, and that's not for one of the big schools.

 

I'm not sure how I would see that working. I would imagine it would need to be something along the lines of, tuition support or paid in return for working x amount of years in public service. If you choose not to do that, it converts to loans. I think for a lot of lower income/middle class students that would be an enticing proposition. Would definitely need to see a more detailed plan before I would support something a long those lines...but I am a firm believer that we need to do what we can to enable kids who want to further their education to have that opportunity without saddling themselves with a lifetime of debt.

[TobiasFunke]

I look forward to an actual intelligent debate between he and Hillary compared to the "you're stupid", "no you're stupid" debate from the Republicans.

[red321]

I think you have too much faith in the media and the folks asking the questions unforunately

[nate]

Libertarians and Socialists should focus on gaining seats in local government first. 

 

It really doesn't matter what Bern wants, the legislature will continue to pander to its pals. 

 

I'd guess the majority of the people who are going to see Bern speak couldn't tell you who their city councilmen, assemblymen, state senators, etc. are. 

 

Bet they could tell you a ton about the difference between Pizza Hut and Dominos though.

 

And which local pot shop has the best greens.

[red321]

Bet they could tell you a ton about the difference between Pizza Hut and Dominos though.

 

And which local pot shop has the best greens.

 

Hipsters aren't eating at Pizza Hut or Dominos

[nate]

These aren't hipsters though.  Maybe some of them.  Most of them are McDonalds employees.

[red321]

Going by appearances...not really what the crowd was last night.

[TobiasFunke]

Looks like after his speech inside he went outside to talk to the crowd that couldn't get in. So awesome.

[red321]

We heard the crowd react to that but had left...wanted to make sure we were able to get out ahead of the 20,000 inside the arena and we thought it was going to take him 30 or so minutes to make his way outside. We were kind of bummed when we realized he made it out there fairly quickly.

Edited August 11, 2015 by red321

[Spirit]

 

Looks like after his speech inside he went outside to talk to the crowd that couldn't get in. So awesome.

 

 

Soooooooooo awesome! 

[Glen]

Liberals have Sanders, conservatives have Trump. Who would you rather see get elected?

[nate]

Well with Sanders we will all be bankrupt but not at war and with Trump we will all be bankrupt and at war so probably Sanders.

[AngelsLongBall]

He brought that up last night and it was a big applause line for sure. As someone who is helping a daughter through college right now, the costs are exorbitant for sure and she is lining herself up with lots of debt unfortunately. Think we figured it as close to 30-35k a year, and that's not for one of the big schools.

 

I'm not sure how I would see that working. I would imagine it would need to be something along the lines of, tuition support or paid in return for working x amount of years in public service. If you choose not to do that, it converts to loans. I think for a lot of lower income/middle class students that would be an enticing proposition. Would definitely need to see a more detailed plan before I would support something a long those lines...but I am a firm believer that we need to do what we can to enable kids who want to further their education to have that opportunity without saddling themselves with a lifetime of debt.

Do you guys think a college education is a right?  Should everyone be allowed to go to college?  I don't think college is for everybody.  It almost wasn't for me.  After my freshman year I sat down with a Marine recruiter and seriously considering joining the service and then finishing college after a few years of maturing.  I was talked out of it by my parents, whom were fortunate enough to start a college savings plan for me when I was born so my amount of debt was negligible. 

 

I don't know, I just don't necessarily think that throwing everyone in to a college solves any problem.  The problem is jobs.  We need to rebuild from the bottom up.  Learn trades.  Trades lead to more skilled workers.  Which means we won't have an excuse to import skilled workers.  Which will lead to higher paying middle class jobs in manufacturing.  Right now I feel we're too service based.  We don't "make" anything anymore.  And the regulations imposed on small manufacturers are draconian IMO (this will drive the manufacturing portion of my business out of California).

 

Sorry for hijacking thread, I'll get down now and show myself out.  /rant

[Spirit]

Gary Johnson 

[Chris]

Seems to be a strong anti-establishment push with Sanders and Trump getting lots of attention.

 

When all is said and done we'll return to our nice, warm, familiar, cozy blanket of Clinton vs. Bush.

[red321]

I'm not sure anyone is talking about a college education as a right. I think the question is how do you make it affordable and offer the opportunity for those who want it, and have worked hard enough at their schooling to be ready for college. College wasn't for me, I didn't go, and I was lucky enough to fall in to the tech industry before it was an industry. College almost wasn't for my daughter, who needed to spend some time away, but when back to school, applied herself, and put herself on track to get in to a state school.

 

 

And I would agree with you, I think trade school should be an option and another avenue for an education more advanced than just high school. And I think the same rules should apply, or at least similar programs.

[TobiasFunke]

Soooooooooo awesome!

No need to mock me like a ****

[fan_since79]

Seems to be a strong anti-establishment push with Sanders and Trump getting lots of attention.

 

When all is said and done we'll return to our nice, warm, familiar, cozy blanket of Clinton vs. Bush.

 

There's a lot of disgust with politicians and the corrupt nature of the game. Sanders at least is consistent in his beliefs, and Trump is saying things in a blunt way that a lot of Americans agree with.

 

We'll see how much staying power they have a few months from now. August 2015 is still too early to make predictions.

[Tank]

Here was his statement...

 

“There is no president, none, one year after the death of Michael Brown, no president who will fight harder to end institutional racism that I will,” Sanders said. “(There is) no president who will push harder for fundamental changes in our criminal justice system.”

 

 

Hardly the the call for a race war you are making it to be wopphil...I would expect better from you.

 

It was an interesting night. The line to get in was, literally, over a mile long. It stretched from the sports arena, almost around the entire coliseum and then looped back on itself and down past the the plunge, and then back towards the coliseum once again. We didn't make it in the arena and there was probably a few thousand people at least with us in the front of the arena watching a live stream on big screens.

 

He's not the most dynamic speaker, very point by point and somewhat wonkish at times. Definitely a strong economic populist message focused on the poor and middle classes - ties it in various things like jobs, healthcare, education, judicial reform, etc. Some powerful lines about Wall St. As I expected, didn't spend a lot of time on defense related items.

 

The crowd, at least outside, was enthusiastic, though I get the idea that some of the people were like me, more just hearing what he had to say and checking things out.

 

Still wouldn't expect him to beat out Clinton, and to be honest I'm not sure his message outside of the corporate/Wall St. reform is much different than hers. Let's hope when they do get on stage together there is a much more substantive discussion than what we saw the other night in Cleveland.

 

i wish you would have tweeted about this last night.

[red321]

I tried...but I ran out of characters

[Tank]

And I would agree with you, I think trade school should be an option and another avenue for an education more advanced than just high school. And I think the same rules should apply, or at least similar programs.

 

right on. why aren't trade schools more popular? my best friend in high school and college, even after getting a college degree in comp science, came home and went to devry. he was a smart guy but we kind of looked down our noses at him. 

 

maybe the trade school industry needs better commercials that aren't so cheesy. they offer a good product.

[Tank]

Gary Johnson 

 

please tell him and his party to advertise and promote themselves this time around. the silent libertarian approach isn't working.