Favorite Military Movies

[IEAngelsfan]

Well, the Czechs had a well trained and equipped army with a strong defense along their northern border with Germany.  The German high command had some real concerns whether they could defeat them.  Instead, Chamberlain and France forced the Czechs to capitulate and give up almost half of their country without firing a shot.  What if Chamberlain had grown a pair and didn't give in to Hitler.  Maybe Hitler backs down and doesn't attack.  All of a sudden, he's not as bold with his moves and holds off for a few more years.  That extra time allows the Germans to develop more of their wonder weapons, so when the war does begin, they have an overwhelming arsenal. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Glad to see im not the only uber nerd/fanatic on that period of time.

Assuming we dont start the italian campaign, and the germans dont need to go there to hold us and the britts back, you havet to assume kursk turns out differently. As it was, the soviets lost far more people and equipmemt there. Had the germans had the extra divisions to exploit the kursk salient, the soviets could have recovered in time, but who knows what the germans could have done in the meantime.

Theres been a lot of people in recent times that downplay our involvement. On the one hand, i agree, the US was a very late entry. And the soviets killed far more of the whermacht than the western front ever did. But the US had the logistical nightmare of fighting on multiple fronts (vs one long one for the russians) as well as being a hquge supplier to the russians. As i said earlier, the nazis could have better used resources east had it not been for the britts and the holocaust. Well, if the russians had to spend steel and metal resources on transport (trucks, jeeps, trains) instead of using what we supplied, how much would that effect their ability to replace their war equipment losses?

What if what if what if.

Thats a cool little video

[ten ocho recon scout]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Kyoungjong

I think they made a fiction movie loosly based on this guy (never saw it), but thats a hell of a story.

[Mark68]

Going the other way, what if britain and france made good on their alliance with poland and attacked germany first?

In all honesty, had the germans been stoppe earlier, je world would look very different today. European borders woul be diferent. He US may still be second class to speak to the british empire and western europe may still have colonies throughout asia.

I think if the Brits & French had attacked Germany in the West (instead of the Sitzkrieg), the main effect is that it would have taken longer to conquer Poland, and the Germans would not have invaded Denmark or Norway prior to their invasion of France & the Low Countries. The Germans would have simply diverted resources to stop the Western Allies at the Siegfried Line, and once Poland was conquered, they would have just thrown everything against Britain & France (probably would have still gone thru Holland & Belgium to hit the Western Allies from behind). I think it just delays things and ends up costing the Brits & French more men & materiel.

 

Where the Brits & French should have and could have stopped Hitler was when he rearmed the Rhineland.

[IEAngelsfan]

I think if the Brits & French had attacked Germany in the West (instead of the Sitzkrieg), the main effect is that it would have taken longer to conquer Poland, and the Germans would not have invaded Denmark or Norway prior to their invasion of France & the Low Countries. The Germans would have simply diverted resources to stop the Western Allies at the Siegfried Line, and once Poland was conquered, they would have just thrown everything against Britain & France (probably would have still gone thru Holland & Belgium to hit the Western Allies from behind). I think it just delays things and ends up costing the Brits & French more men & materiel.

 

Where the Brits & French should have and could have stopped Hitler was when he rearmed the Rhineland.

The Brits and French started to go through a major accelerated re-armament program when they realized Hitler might attack Poland.  I don't believe they were capable and certainly not willing to go on the offensive when the Germans launched their attack on Poland.  They needed to buy time and they welcomed the Sitzkrieg.  In my opinion, the French were still fatigued from WWI and reluctantly went to war with Germany.

 

What also shocked them was the non-aggression pact Germany made with the Soviet Union.  They realized then that they were alone.

Edited June 20, 2015 by IEAngelsfan

[ten ocho recon scout]

Good points. I think the majority of people werent really wanting to go back to war after WW1, especially if it was to come to the aid of abother country (like czech, poland etc). The germans had a head start because they were still pissed after WW1...i think most of their people were leary at first, but after hitler took the sudetenland without a shot, they got confidant. After taking poland with relative ease, and especially after dunkirk they probably felt pretty invincible.

And yes, having stalin and hitler seemingly end up on the same page im sure left the western allies very uneasy

[Tank]

I greatly appreciate that hitler decided to turn on the soviets and attack them. If he doesn't, the war plays out much, much differently, and not necessarily in a good way.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Yes it does. Then again, i think (and im not in any way a german appologist) that in time, the soviets would have attacked west. One thing people who today (at least those not old enough or not nerdy enough like me) probably dont understand is that ww2 wasnt just a war concerning nations, but one concerning ideals. It wasnt as much "germany vs russia" as it was facism vs communism, capitalism etc. I just dont think stalin and hitler could have been neighbors for too long before someone got drunk and walked next door to pick a fight so to speak.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Anyone mention rescue dawn yet?

And has anyone seen stalingrad? I havent yet, might order it though

[ten ocho recon scout]

That was a great movie, really cool story

[LBHalos17]

Defiance was very good!

 

I tried to watch Stalingrad the other night, but it cut back and forth between subtitles and English.  Very difficult to follow when I was playing online poker at the same time...

[LBHalos17]

BTW... It should be obvious to the Mods here that we need a "military" section now.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Or you warmongers could just find a military website to discuss your hate.

yeah but then how are we gonna indoctrinate the rest of you guys?

[arch stanton]

Fruity wine and sensual massages?

About a 94% success rate on middle aged divorcees.

[LBHalos17]

Fruity wine and sensual massages?

indoc is tailored to the recruit...  Mongo like war-mongo-ing!

[Mark68]

For those of you (like me) who are:

 

A) Fascinated by the different tangents that WWII could have gone; and

 

2) Like to play computer games;

 

Might I suggest the Hearts of Iron series by Paradox Interactive? They've come out with 3 versions of Hearts of Iron, so far, the best one was HoI2. They'll be releasing the 4th one in the series later this year (it's been delayed), but it looks REALLY good. I have played all 3 versions (as well as most of the DLCs).

 

Here is a link to their forums with developer diaries for HoI IV.

 

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?forums/hearts-of-iron-iv.844/

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Top secret

[ten ocho recon scout]

Thats funny, a buddy of mine just brought up top secret yesterday. That movie aged well

[Tank]

"one whose bosoms defy gravity".

[ten ocho recon scout]

"one whose bosoms defy gravity".

goodbye dejavu, ill always remember you...

[Lou]

https://coub.com/view/4ky31

[Tank]

goodbye dejavu, ill always remember you...

 

"how did you get your name, nick?"

"my dad thought of it one morning while he was shaving."

[Puget Sound Angel]

Born on the Fourth of July

[ten ocho recon scout]

Born on the Fourth of July

loved that one, very underrated

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Top Gun 2