Playboy-posing veteran arrested in flag scuffle, sets off debate over everything

[Hollyw00d]

it's a piece of cloth.

 

people need to unbunch their captain America panties

[AngelsLongBall]

it's a piece of cloth.

 

people need to unbunch their captain America panties

it's a drawing of Mohammad

 

people need to unbunch their burkas

[Hollyw00d]

exactly. 

 

same brand of idiocy that we scoff at muslims for

[mtangelsfan]

exactly. 

 

same brand of idiocy that we scoff at muslims for

 

hmm, lets see.  Picking up a flag being stepped on or gunning down some people who drew a cartoon.

 

you're right, pretty close to the same.

[AngelsLongBall]

I actually was going the other way.  The flag is something near and dear to a lot of people, soldiers have fought and died for that flag.  You can't just tell someone to stop caring because it's a piece of cloth.  It's more than that to a lot of people.  Just as Mohammad is near and dear to a lot of his followers.

[TobiasFunke]

4 pages and no n00dz? Fail

[AngelsLongBall]

Does that give people with an intense emotional bond with red, white and blue fabric the right to steal it from someone that doesn't have such a bond?

That was her choice, she was dealt with.  I find burning or desecrating the flag to be classless and in poor taste.  She feels stronger than that.  Both parties were provocateurs IMO. 

[AngelsLongBall]

4 pages and no n00dz? Fail

Head to the GC!

[HaloMagic]

That was her choice, she was dealt with. I find burning or desecrating the flag to be classless and in poor taste. She feels stronger than that. Both parties were provocateurs IMO.

You never answered the question.

[mtangelsfan]

Maybe because it wasn't a very good question.

[HaloMagic]

Asking whether theft by a veteran should be considered theft is not a very good question?

[mtangelsfan]

If that was how the question was framed then maybe, but it wasn't.

[arch stanton]

Affection for the flag is great. But which do we have more affection toward, the symbol of freedom and democracy or the actual practice of freedom and democracy?

[mtangelsfan]

What if stopping someone from burning a flag or stepping on it is my way of expressing my speech.

[Hollyw00d]

That's not speech, that's action

[HaloMagic]

What if stopping someone from burning a flag or stepping on it is my way of expressing my speech.

LOL. GTFO.

If you can stop someone from desecrating a flag without committing a crime like theft or battery then I'm all for it.

Edited May 7, 2015 by HaloMagic

[mtangelsfan]

That's not speech, that's action

 

and burning a flag isn't?

 

strange.

[HaloMagic]

It isn't an illegal action. Which is the crux of this whole argument.

[mtangelsfan]

and burning an object on public property isn't?  

 

Let me ask this, if somebody throws something away, is it still their property?

[HaloMagic]

They were stepping on it. And they didn't throw it away. They were still using it.

And no, if someone throws something away on public property I don't believe it to legally be theirs anymore.

Edited May 7, 2015 by HaloMagic

[AngelsLongBall]

I would be willing to bet once they were done stomping on the flag they had no intention of keeping it (or hell, of even cleaning/picking it up). It was once the chick grabbed that they shifted in to victim gear

Edited May 7, 2015 by AngelsLongBall

[HaloMagic]

I would be willing to bet once they were done stomping on the flag they had no intention of keeping it (or hell, of even cleaning/picking it up). It was once the chick grabbed that they shifted in to victim gear

When I get full I may decide to throw my plate of food away. But I wouldn't take to kindly to someone coming up and taking a couple of bites while I'm still dining.

They weren't finished with the flag yet. What they were gonna do after they were done is irrelevant.

[mtangelsfan]

They didn't throw it away, they were in the process of using it. Your hypothetical doesn't work here.

 

Burning it isn't throwing it away?

 

Whatever, these hypotheticals are silly.  If people want to protest stupidly that is fine.  I just don't think they should act all shocked or put off if someone doesn't care for their form of protest and does something about.

[HaloMagic]

If I light some fireworks does that mean someone can just take it away or does that not apply because it's not an activity you disapprove of?

Do you believe those "doing something about it" have the right to or do you agree that it's illegal? That's the issue.

Edited May 7, 2015 by HaloMagic

[mtangelsfan]

Depends on what they do.  What Rick Monday did, totally legal.

 

What the ex soldier did, probably not.  I would wager there would be no jury to convict her though.

 

Bottom line is that the flag does mean something to a lot of folks and to act like its just cloth with dye is a bad comparison and belittles those who look at the flag with honor.