Playboy-posing veteran arrested in flag scuffle, sets off debate over everything

[Spirit]

If the flames coming from your house were putting other homes, property or nature (trees, forests, etc) in danger, then yes ... the fire dept. should try to put it out.  Otherwise, meh. 

 

Why does walking on the flag on public land open the doors for intervention?  It's their flag.  I wouldn't expect a foodie to pull my burgers off a grill in a public park if they thought I was overcooking them.  They're my burgers.  

[mtangelsfan]

Yes we all know that ownership of that piece of dirt trumps ownership of that piece of cloth.

 

It actually does, by a long shot.  Serfs were allowed to own pieces of cloth, but not pieces of dirt.

[mtangelsfan]

If the flames coming from your house were putting other homes, property or nature (trees, forests, etc) in danger, then yes ... the fire dept. should try to put it out.  Otherwise, meh. 

 

Why does walking on the flag on public land open the doors for intervention?  It's their flag.  I wouldn't expect a foodie to pull my burgers off a grill in a public park if they thought I was overcooking them.  They're my burgers.  

 

I would argue it isn't their flag anymore if they are ruining it in a public place.  Regardless, I don't find this to be a big deal, at all.  Just don't see the group of students as heroes.

[Spirit]

I don't see the group of students as heroes either.  But they're protesting.  They bought the flag to walk on it and ruin it.  That's what they wanted it for and that's what they're using it for.  I may find what they're doing distasteful, but not as distasteful as someone being able to take away their property before they're done with it.  

[arch stanton]

It actually does, by a long shot.  Serfs were allowed to own pieces of cloth, but not pieces of dirt.

If I promise to never force you into serfdom will you unpucker and take a breath?

[mtangelsfan]

If I promise to never force you into serfdom will you unpucker and take a breath?

 

only if you promise not to return to the U.S.

[Tank]

As a veteran I have to say my opinion doesn't matter more than any other citizen of the USA.  (Still, I'm not above reminding people I'm a veteran)

 

Anyway, IMO burning the flag is actually the ultimate sign of respect for the constitution it represents.  How awesome is it we live in a country in which we can burn our own flag and not be prosecuted for it.  In many countries you can't do that.  Again, as a veteran, that is the type of freedom I fought for.

 

agree with you completely.

 

i'm also not offended if someone wants to stop that action from happening.

[NrM]

She sounds like an attention whore.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

She sounds like an attention whore.

 

For all of the talk about her military service, she was kicked out of the Air Force for doing the Playboy shoot. You tell me what was more important to her. She wasn't thinking about the uniform when she flashed her silicone-enhanced headlights for everyone to see.

[LBHalos17]

If the flames coming from your house were putting other homes, property or nature (trees, forests, etc) in danger, then yes ... the fire dept. should try to put it out.  Otherwise, meh. 

 

Why does walking on the flag on public land open the doors for intervention?  It's their flag.  I wouldn't expect a foodie to pull my burgers off a grill in a public park if they thought I was overcooking them.  They're my burgers.  

I'm in agreement about the right to treat the flag poorly, but I wouldn't stand for it in my presence (even aside from the fact that those people are only trying to get a reaction, and probably don't even know why they're doing it beyond the primary instigator).

I was raised in a Veteran household, and in a time when it was still god and country.  I learned the values that OUR flag represents, and also how it is to be treated.  I believe the only acceptable mis-treatment is flying it upside-down as a sign of distress.

 

I'd pull a Rick Monday...

 

[Blarg]

She was just exersizing her right to protest the burning of a flag. Not sure why that was considered illegal if a non permit fire in a public place was considered legal.

[HaloMagic]

I'm in agreement about the right to treat the flag poorly, but I wouldn't stand for it in my presence

So you agree they have the right but you wouldn't let them exercise it in front of you? Do their rights not continue to exist when you decide you don't like something?

That's a very "policeman" thing to say.

[mtangelsfan]

So you agree they have the right but you wouldn't let them exercise it in front of you? Do their rights not continue to exist when you decide you don't like something?

That's a very "policeman" thing to say.

 

So Rick Monday is a bad guy for taking that flag from the protestors?

[HaloMagic]

Did Rick Monday take the flag from people who were standing on a sidewalk minding their own business?

[mtangelsfan]

Did Rick Monday take the flag from people who were standing on a sidewalk minding their own business?

 

First do you know for a fact that they were minding their own business?

 

Also, the argument I have heard most, I'm not saying you have made it, is that the flag is their property and they should be able to do what they wish to it.  So the flag that guy was burning was his property and Monday took it.  

 

I don't think it was wrong.

[Blarg]

I don't think burning random items on public property is right.

[HaloMagic]

First do you know for a fact that they were minding their own business?

Also, the argument I have heard most, I'm not saying you have made it, is that the flag is their property and they should be able to do what they wish to it. So the flag that guy was burning was his property and Monday took it.

I don't think it was wrong.

I don't commend Monday for taking the flag. But it aided in stopping a distraction. If it was a Led Zepplin t-shirt or a bullhorn I'd feel the same way. I'm not proud of him because he stopped a flag burning but I'm happy he assisted in stopping the distraction.

As far the minding their own business, if it came out the they were for a fact would that change your mind on the stealing of their flag?

[Spirit]

I don't think burning random items on public property is right.

 

 

But they weren't burning it.  They were stepping on it. 

[LBHalos17]

So you agree they have the right but you wouldn't let them exercise it in front of you? Do their rights not continue to exist when you decide you don't like something?

That's a very "policeman" thing to say.

Don't be a total douche...  Or, let's do this- What do you do for a living?  So I can call you by your "work" name.  How about "cubbie" for cubicle.  I'd have to protect their right on-duty, but exercise my own right to protect the Flag off-duty.  Any understanding of values/rights yet?

 

In this country, some of us defend the Flag as it stands for values we've built this country on.  

[LBHalos17]

But they weren't burning it.  They were stepping on it. 

By the way, I'm hearing that "stepping" (on the flag) is a new hipster movement with bored kids...

[HaloMagic]

but exercise my own right to protect the Flag off-duty.

Not a real right. That's called theft. And regardless of whether you are on duty or not you have no constitutional right to restrict someone's first amendment rights.

[LBHalos17]

Not a real right. That's called theft. And regardless of whether you are on duty or not you have no constitutional right to restrict someone's first amendment rights.

"San Dee-ogo... Agree to disagree."

Perhaps, but that's my stance.  I'd get fired for sure if it was on-duty, and even possibly off-duty since we're always representing our City and Department but that's what they get with us; they hired us for our values being in-line with theirs.  It would be interesting to see what would happen...

[HaloMagic]

Haha. Keep upholding the Constitution. Or at least the parts of it you agree with.

"but that's what they get with us"

Nice. You sound like Hamilton.

[Tank]

there's a surprising lack of patriotism in this thread.

[HaloMagic]

I think it's very patriotic to uphold the Constitution.