Angels Official Website: Arbitrator reportedly to decide if Hamilton goes to rehab

[ABC]

LOL at all of the docs here.

[Lou]

I tend to agree with this. I think outpatient programs like AA and NA that acknowledge the illness AND work on personal responsibility and accountability might be better for a lot of people. If they kick drugs and don't address whatever drove them to use drugs, they'll just go on to relapse or to be addicted to something else.

you are making the assumption that inpatient rehab doesnt' do this and this is completely wrong.

[Lou]

Rehab should be reserved for addicts who have hit rock bottom and have no other recourse, not some incredibly wealthy man who did cocaine a month or two ago.

 

I don't really know how I feel about the concept of rehab. On one hand, addiction is a disease. On the other, rehab efficacy rates are remarkably low. All it does is enable people and teach them how to manipulate. Addicts typically have underlying issues like depression and personality disorders that aren't addressed in those settings.

so access to rehab should be income-based? All it does is teach them how to manipulate?

you would be much better off is you just state that you have absolutley no idea what rehab entails

[Lou]

Giving Hamilton props for not getting wasted anymore seems to me along the same lines of

 

Miguel Cabrera is such a hero for not whooping his wifes ass in recent years

that you know of

[Hollyw00d]

According to lodge, Hamilton is allegedly taking swings in dallas

[AngelsSurfer]

you are making the assumption that inpatient rehab doesnt' do this and this is completely wrong.

I'm sure the good ones do, but is it even enough time? It can take some people years to chisel through all of the baggage that is causing them to use and figure out how to change their coping strategies. They're not going to be in rehab for years - one would hope, anyway. So there might need to be something after rehab to really get into that work.

[Hollyw00d]

Probably NA, AA, and all that. I think there's a reason why people go there for years

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Because he cannot carry cash or credit cards, Hamilton wrote himself a check to cash. He wound up at a strip club and used cocaine.

I suppose that all of you are going to sit there and say that you don't do blow in a strip club every time you get some cash.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Regarding inpatient rehab - I once worked in a facility where a one-time child TV star was sent for treatment. She got the star treatment while she was there, sleeping whenever she wanted and she was not required to attend group therapy sessions. Needless to say, it wasn't very effective.

She died of a prescription drug overdose several years later.

[Lou]

I'm sure the good ones do, but is it even enough time? It can take some people years to chisel through all of the baggage that is causing them to use and figure out how to change their coping strategies. They're not going to be in rehab for years - one would hope, anyway. So there might need to be something after rehab to really get into that work.

treatment doesn't end when the addict walks out of the door.

[Lou]

Mom has the reality show, Dad is an addict.  Wonder who is raising the 4 little girls?  Josh Hamilton is a very selfish person.

pretty much all addicts are selfish people

[mulwin444]

Regarding inpatient rehab - I once worked in a facility where a one-time child TV star was sent for treatment. She got the star treatment while she was there, sleeping whenever she wanted and she was not required to attend group therapy sessions. Needless to say, it wasn't very effective.

She died of a prescription drug overdose several years later.

For some reason, I thought of Dana Plato when I read this...

[Lou]

For some reason, I thought of Dana Plato when I read this...

ha. same here

[AngelsSurfer]

treatment doesn't end when the addict walks out of the door.

Hopefully not, but some people don't do the work after they leave the inpatient facility and that makes all the difference. The ones I know that have not been as successful have been the ones that have thought a month in rehab on its own was a magic cure. In contrast I know recovered alcoholics that will go to AA meetings even when they're on cruise ships and have made a commitment to do longterm work and it's not a surprise that they stay sober.

[wopphil]

Rehab should be reserved for addicts who have hit rock bottom and have no other recourse, not some incredibly wealthy man who did cocaine a month or two ago.

I don't really know how I feel about the concept of rehab. On one hand, addiction is a disease. On the other, rehab efficacy rates are remarkably low. All it does is enable people and teach them how to manipulate. Addicts typically have underlying issues like depression and personality disorders that aren't addressed in those settings.

Well said. I see no way in which rehab can help Josh here. Seems like a total PC move more than anything.

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Clearly he doesn't have the told to stay sober.   Going into a 30-day detox won't do much for him, unless he's really been hitting the junk.

 

He needs outpatient substance abuse recovery programs.   

[summit21]

Can both options be levied on Hamilton? Give him 30-60 days rehab and then subsequently suspend him 25,50 games, or the season? My take is he needs rehab and help, but should also suffer the consequences of his transgressions with a suspension of at least 50 games. He should use the time away from the game to get his personal/family life in order during the suspension. Doing cocaine is not taking care of your body and detrimental to the team. He won no points IMO by admitting to it prior to a test. He knew it would be positive, how is that any better?

[Vegas Halo Fan]

For some reason, I thought of Dana Plato when I read this...

Due to privacy laws, I can neither confirm nor deny.

[Lou]

Due to privacy laws, I can neither confirm nor deny.

i knew it!

[Lou]

Clearly he doesn't have the told to stay sober.   Going into a 30-day detox won't do much for him, unless he's really been hitting the junk.

 

He needs outpatient substance abuse recovery programs.

those 2 courses of action aren't mutually exclusive. in fact, outpatient treatment generally follows inpatient care. it's not like they just say:" well, your 30 days are over. see ya!"

[Lou]

You are forgetting that he has a disease and therefore can't be held accountable for his actions. He gets to do whatever he wants and other people need to deal with it and pay.

this was already said by ... nobody

[Mark68]

I suppose that all of you are going to sit there and say that you don't do blow in a strip club every time you get some cash.

Strip club? Yes.

 

Blow? No.

[Jim]

Mom has the reality show, Dad is an addict.  Wonder who is raising the 4 little girls?  Josh Hamilton is a very selfish person.

Addiction 101. At the start of recovery the addict/alcoholic realizes just how selfish they are. It is one of the more glaring personality traits of the alcoholic/addict. I could share countless stories of selfish acts that would curl your toes. Although, just being aware of one’s selfishness is not a cure. It takes a fair amount of time and constant awareness to overcome such tendencies.  

 

My experience is that most in recovery stop working at it, figuring they've overcome the beast. Look how well my life is now. All the while the beast sits quietly gaining strength, waiting for a moment of weakness. 

[Jay]

 

Addiction 101. At the start of recovery the addict/alcoholic realizes just how selfish they are. It is one of the more glaring personality traits of the alcoholic/addict. I could share countless stories of selfish acts that would curl your toes. Although, just being aware of one’s selfishness is not a cure. It takes a fair amount of time and constant awareness to overcome such tendencies.  

 

 

My experience is that most in recovery stop working at it, figuring they've overcome the beast. Look how well my life is now. All the while the beast sits quietly gaining strength, waiting for a moment of weakness. 

 

 

Any time you want to see the beast he's right there in the mirror.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Alcoholics can die from not drinking if they're in the advanced stages of alcoholism

Its a pretty horrible addiction, aside from meth I'm not sure there's anything worse

cracks up there. And heroin is just as bad, and making a comeback