Troy Tulowitzki at 3B?

[Hollyw00d]

I wouldn't give up any young players for tulowitzki, especially not young pitchers

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Hamilton for Tulowitzki

Final offer

 

Hamilton might hit 50 homers at Colorado.

[OregonLAA]

Hamilton might hit 50 homers at Colorado.

Only if they're all road games

[eligrba]

During batting practice.

[Hollyw00d]

Hamilton hits pitches "humans shouldn't be able to hit."

What about pitches little leaguers should hit?

[nikkachez]

Get Zobrist and DFA Krauss or Butera. Chances are they'll clear waivers and can stay in the org. Zobrist at second would be insane. 

 

Calhoun

Zobrist

Trout

Pujols

Joyce/Cron

Hamilton

Freese

Aybar

Iannetta 

 

Drool* 

[Blarg]

Zobrist is in the decline phase of his career and would be a one year rental.

[nikkachez]

Zobrist is in the decline phase of his career and would be a one year rental.

In the "decline phase" and still worth a 5.7 WAR last year. Bitch please lolololol 

[Tank]

i can't imagine tulo would come very cheaply in a trade, and that alone makes me want to avoid getting him.

[Blarg]

In the "decline phase" and still worth a 5.7 WAR last year. Bitch please lolololol 

 

One year rental. Why would you advocate trading resources for a short term fix on a player well past 30? I thought the Tony Reagins era was over.

[ukyah]

Wait what? No! I'm in favor of not trading for Tulo!!!

 

 

i'm with you. trade for tulo, no matter what it costs. even trout.

[tdawg87]

One year rental. Why would you advocate trading resources for a short term fix on a player well past 30? I thought the Tony Reagins era was over.

 

If it's a "short term fix" why does his age matter? He's still every bit as good as Kendrick ever was, and would give the Angels an every day 2nd baseman until Baldoquin or Yarbrough are ready to take over.

[Blarg]

It is a one year fix and you have to build a package good enough to coax Tampa Bay to let go of him. A package no other team can beat. So if the guy is the difference maker then his price is going to be as well.

 

The Angels have already worked trades to address 2nd base. They made those with a long term plan in mind. This would just be scrapping those plans for some other player that was available to negotiate for before they made their current commitment.

[nando714]

Who would play 3rd for the 50 games he is on the DL for?

Edgardo Alfonso

[tdawg87]

I sincerely doubt the Angels see Rutledge, Giavotella, and even Featherston in their long term plans for 2nd base. If they do, that's kind of sad. Those guys are all making next to nothing and the Angels gave up next to nothing to get them. It isn't as if they traded away big pieces to obtain them. The Angels needed utility players and they now have a glut of them. Their future at 2nd is Yarbrough, and to a lesser extent, Baldoquin (who the team sees as more of a SS). Since Yarbrough won't likely be ready until 2016, why not get a player who is good enough to hold down 2nd for a full year until he is ready?

 

His age, "decline", and rental status will all factor in to his cost.

[TheHeathen]

Why trade one year of Kendrick, then turn around and trade for one year of Zobrist. Seems like a wash.

[tdawg87]

Why trade one year of Kendrick, then turn around and trade for one year of Zobrist. Seems like a wash.

 

...because they wouldn't be trading the piece they got for Kendrick.

[TheHeathen]

Do you think the value of the piece our pieces they would have to trade for Zobrist would be less the Heaney?

[Blarg]

I sincerely doubt the Angels see Rutledge, Giavotella, and even Featherston in their long term plans for 2nd base. If they do, that's kind of sad. Those guys are all making next to nothing and the Angels gave up next to nothing to get them. It isn't as if they traded away big pieces to obtain them. The Angels needed utility players and they now have a glut of them. Their future at 2nd is Yarbrough, and to a lesser extent, Baldoquin (who the team sees as more of a SS). Since Yarbrough won't likely be ready until 2016, why not get a player who is good enough to hold down 2nd for a full year until he is ready?

 

His age, "decline", and rental status will all factor in to his cost.

 

Like Kendrick? We gave up a 5.4 WAR 2nd baseman with a higher priced one year contract for a starting pitcher. So if Nic is all stoked on a 5.6 WAR second baseman then his price tag is going to be more than Kendrick.

 

The Angels are looking at the depth as depth to get them through this season and bridge to Yarborough and Baldoquin. The Angels are not in need of spending what got for Kendrick to get in return... Kendrick.

[tdawg87]

Do you think the value of the piece our pieces they would have to trade for Zobrist would be less the Heaney?

 

Depends on what they are looking for. The Angels now have a lot of young pitching depth. Trading Heaney or Newcomb would be counter-productive but they have a lot more young pitching in their system. The Angels also have Cron who would be an enticing package for anyone who wants to trade.

 

Like Kendrick? We gave up a 5.4 WAR 2nd baseman with a higher priced one year contract for a starting pitcher. So if Nic is all stoked on a 5.6 WAR second baseman then his price tag is going to be more than Kendrick.

 

The Angels are looking at the depth as depth to get them through this season and bridge to Yarborough and Baldoquin. The Angels are not in need of spending what got for Kendrick to get in return... Kendrick.

 

You just said the Angels were looking at their future when they got those guys. So which is it?

 

And who says they would be trading what they got for Kendrick for Zobrist? I don't think anyone has suggested that as being a good idea. If the Rays want Heaney then you walk away. But if they want Cron and someone lesser like Nate Smith then you gotta think about pulling the trigger. The Angels get better for 2015 without greatly sacrificing their future to do so.

[Blarg]

They Rays are going to want something, cost controlled with a future to cover their long term needs. The Angels need that as well. That is why Zobrist is not a target.

[Hollyw00d]

One year rental. Why would you advocate trading resources for a short term fix on a player well past 30? I thought the Tony Reagins era was over.

The difference is zorilla is still great.

This guy doesn't have injury issues and he's as steady as they cone

[Hollyw00d]

Zobrist is better than Kendrick btw, it would be an upgrade

[Blarg]

By .02 WAR.

[Hollyw00d]

From '12-'14

Zobrist: 17 fWAR

Kendrick: 10.4 fWAR

Not exactly .2. And zobrist missed about a month last season. Its really not close.