(former) Angels pitchers

[fan_since79]

Jason Vargas

2-0, 1.24 ERA, 0.931 WHIP

 

Dan Haren

3-0, 2.16 ERA, 20 SO, 2 BB

 

Scott Kazmir

2-0, 1.65 ERA, 0.768 WHIP, 24 SO, 4 BB

 

Francisco Rodriguez

10 IP, 0.00 ERA, 7 Saves

 

 

and on the flip side,

 

Scott Downs

0-2, 8.44 ERA, 2.250 WHIP

Edited April 21, 2014 by fan_since79

[Chimi]

I still think the Angels messed up not keeping Vargas or at least offering him a QO.

The others, I couldn't care less about even with their good starts.

[19HALO71]

F'ing Reagins!!!!

[Marsaka]

U forgot ervin santana, jordan walden, and tyler chatwood.

 

but pitchers leaving here and doing much better doesn't surprise me.  butcher and iannetta area detriment to the pitching staff.

 

hopefully the new gm shakes things up starting by getting rid of dipoto's love child iannetta.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Marsaka

[Blarg]

I bet the Indians regret letting Kazmir go but to bring him and Frankie into the conversation four and five years later is pretty obtuse.

[Inside Pitch]

So many cherries to pick, so little time.

[Chuck]

Jason Vargas

2-0, 1.24 ERA, 0.931 WHIP

 

Dan Haren

3-0, 2.16 ERA, 20 SO, 2 BB

 

Scott Kazmir

2-0, 1.65 ERA, 0.768 WHIP, 24 SO, 4 BB

 

Francisco Rodriguez

10 IP, 0.00 ERA, 7 Saves

 

 

and on the flip side,

 

Scott Downs

0-2, 8.44 ERA, 2.250 WHIP

 

You forgot Ervin Santana, who has improved immensely since departing the Angels. 

 

I think Butcher needs to go. 

[nando714]

Butcher'd

[AngelsFaninGA]

Butchy looks at those stats every night so can sleep like a baby. 

[fan_since79]

You forgot Ervin Santana, who has improved immensely since departing the Angels. 

 

I think Butcher needs to go.

 

<smacking forehead> That was a brain freeze on my part.

 

2-0, 0.86 ERA, 24 SO, 4 BB

ERA+  451

[stormngt]

Jason Vargas

2-0, 1.24 ERA, 0.931 WHIP

 

Dan Haren

3-0, 2.16 ERA, 20 SO, 2 BB

 

Scott Kazmir

2-0, 1.65 ERA, 0.768 WHIP, 24 SO, 4 BB

 

Francisco Rodriguez

10 IP, 0.00 ERA, 7 Saves

 

 

and on the flip side,

 

Scott Downs

0-2, 8.44 ERA, 2.250 WHIP

 

How much money did we save by releasing Haren?????

 

Wouldn't KROD look good in our bullpen??????

 

It was a mistake not to offer a QO to Vargas.....

 

Kazmir......I dont' care what people say, he has to be seeing Colon's nutritionist!

[stormngt]

I bet the Indians regret letting Kazmir go but to bring him and Frankie into the conversation four and five years later is pretty obtuse.

except we could have brought KROD back.....would never want Kaz back

[Blarg]

Yes, the Angels could have taken a shot at Frankie but he must have really burned a bridge enroute to the Mets. That and I think playing punch out with his Father in law on Mets property had something to do with it.

[Homebrewer]

You forgot Ervin Santana, who has improved immensely since departing the Angels. 

 

I think Butcher needs to go. 

When he was kept around, even after the coaching shake-up after last season...I just laughed. The FO had to throw Scioscia a cookie so he didn't sulk, and Butchy was it.

[stormngt]

You forgot Ervin Santana, who has improved immensely since departing the Angels. 

 

I think Butcher needs to go. 

 

Seeing so many pitchers do well after they leave the angels do justify the dismissal of Butcher. 

 

I am not really taking Kazmir into account, but Santana has found consistency.  Haren is pitching well.  And Rodney turning into a decent pitcher almost immediately after leaving the angels is pretty damaging.

[sneaky_flute]

It's very early in the season. With the exception of Haren, it's likely all those pitchers finish with an ERA north of 4.

[KingJustinian]

You forgot Ervin Santana, who has improved immensely since departing the Angels.

I think Butcher needs to go.

Ervin had good years with us. The jury will still be out on him until 2-3 years after he signs a long term deal.

Haren was fine for us except when he had back issues.

Kazmir had a bad elbow with us.

Can't really blame Butcher for most of these people.

[arch stanton]

If we wanted the best out of Santana we should have found a way to keep him in perpetual contract year.

[Homebrewer]

If we wanted the best out of Santana we should have found a way to keep him in perpetual contract year.

Or find another way, besides money, to keep him focused and motivated. (a coaches job)

[arch stanton]

Or find another way, besides money, to keep him focused and motivated. (a coaches job)

I'd love to hear what you have in mind.

[happybat4]

I never understand why K-Rod has so much trouble finding jobs in the offseason. Dude has been lights out for a long time, yet he keeps signing cheap deals.

[mulwin444]

"Jason Vargas

2-0, 1.24 ERA, 0.931 WHIP"

 

Don't know why we didn't make a qualifying offer to him?  The guy was 4-starter depth on a team devoid of any AA/AAA level ready to step up.  Even if they sign him, the Skaggs/Santiago trade still can happen and this team is in a much better position depth-wise but I assuming this was a move made primarily for financial reasons.

 

"Dan Haren

3-0, 2.16 ERA, 20 SO, 2 BB"

 

The guy had arm and back issues his last year with the Angels and a QO would have been close to $14 mil after

posting a 12-13, 4.33 ERA, 1.29 WHIP .275 BAA, followed by a 10-14 4.67 ERA 1.24 WHIP .268 BAA in D.C.  He's rebounded back from injury this season so far but imagine if he was retained for 2013 and he put up simil;ar numbers.  Do you think he would be back for 2014?

 

"Scott Kazmir

2-0, 1.65 ERA, 0.768 WHIP, 24 SO, 4 BB"

 

Kazmir floated around in independent ball for a couple of years before getting a shot with the Indians.  Despite his good showing last season, I don't blame the Tribe for not matching a 2 year for him.  Remains to be seen if he can maintain those numbers.

 

"Francisco Rodriguez

10 IP, 0.00 ERA, 7 Saves"

 

The "K-Rod" ship sailed years ago...sometimes old closers find themslves for a couple of years (see Jose Mesa)

 

"Ervin Santana"

 

Out of the Haren and Santana, Santana is the one I would have given the QO to just because, even with the results he had in 2012, his stuff still seemed to be there.

 

I don't particularly like Butcher but I don't see how these are much of an indictment.  The more glaring issue for me in relation to Butcher is the lack of development in our BP arms, particularly their penchant for walking batters and giving up inherited runners. 

[Docwaukee]

what could have happened:

 

sign smith, frankie and trade bourjos for a reliever

let Stewart, Lucho, Green cover 3b with Stewart and Green getting DH at bats along with Long, Cowgill filling in while Albert and Josh do some Dhing as well.  

 

coulda shoulda woulda.  Pretty monday morning QB here but whatever.

[xboom28x]

Angels payroll would be through the roof if we kept Santana, Haren and/or Vargas.

[Chimi]

"Ervin Santana"

 

Out of the Haren and Santana, Santana is the one I would have given the QO to just because, even with the results he had in 2012, his stuff still seemed to be there.

 

Santana was traded to the Royals so we weren't in a position to give him a QO.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Chimi