Reid comes clean on Obamacare

[Bruce Nye]

Remember when those dastardly conservatives were ridiculed and mocked for asserting that the government's goal was to completely takeover the health industry.

 

Now, Sen.Reid comes clean:

 

 

Now Democrat Senate Majority Leader Reid comes clean and admits that’s exactly the goal. From the Las Vegas Sun:

“What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.

When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

Those silly conservatives going on about government takeovers and death panels. How many times do conservatives have to be proven right before we get any credit for it?

 

[Blarg]

If anyone would have read the proposal before voting...

[HaloMagic]

Do you have a quote from Reid denying that single-payer was his ultimate goal? I've long read quotes from him discussing his distrust and disgust of private insurance companies.

I'd like to see a quote from someone who previously said single-payer wasn't an eventual goal but has since changed their tune. Reid doesn't fit that description.

To answer your question from the other thread, I never said Obamacare was easy to understand. I might have said that to a normal person the new system isn't any harder to understand than the old system. The issue is so involved it's going to be complex no matter what system it is. Sorry I don't feel bad for the insurance companies who are having trouble interpreting the law. Perhaps they could use some of their massive profits to hire some more lawyers to help them out. Also, I never said it would be wonderful. I said it would be better. I'm still of that opinion. I see some reports talking about how bad it's going to be and then I see reports about how rates are even lower than they thought they would be. Until it starts I'm not sure how you could declare how terrible it is. I personally haven't talked to someone whose rates have gone up more than they were before 2010. But the exchanges and mandates haven't started yet. That could certainly change.

[Bruce Nye]

Obamacare vs Lenincare - from the IBD

 

 

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/041312-607800-obamacare-ominously-similar-to-soviet-socialized-medicine.htm

[HaloMagic]

Nothing like comparing a system from 2013 to a system from 1920.

Maybe we could compare how bad health care affordabilty was back then for the masses with how bad it is now. Then we could come to the conclusion that a revolution must be coming. Since it happened that way before and all.

Never mind the fact that the US isn't offering "free" universal health care and that there are quite a few countries who do who don't have the same problem the Soviet Union had. Since it failed in the USSR it must be destined to fail here.

Just like landing on the moon.

Also, I assume you are still looking for that Harry Reid quote? I'll wait.

[Bruce Nye]

The concept, framework and methods of operation are the same as Lenin instituted in 1920 and it failed and Russian health care is deplorable.  (I have experience with it there.)

 

If you're som anxious to find the Harry Reid quote, it's on Yahoo today and Forbes has an article about it including the quote.

[HaloMagic]

The concept, framework, and methods are vastly different. It's an almost completely private system. It's practically nothing like what happened in the Soviet Union 100 years ago. And many countries have gone almost completely public without falling into disaster. Explanation for their success?

The Harry Reid quote I'm looking for is the one where he "ridiculed and mocked" conservatives "for asserting that the government's goal was to completely takeover the health industry."

[mtangelsfan]

In no way am I in favor of a single payer plan, but if I was I would be severely disappointed.  It seems to me it would be harder to get there from where we are now versus before Obamacare.

[Bruce Nye]

Look, I get it.  We have 20 million people with no healthcare.  Can someone explain to me why the other 200 million + have to have a vastly reduced level of health care because of it?

 

The answer is Obama is following a recipe for socialism.  It has never worked before, but he is a puppet and his owners are pushing the buttons to control health care in the U.S., then banking (partially done) then education and energy.  It is a system of failure.

[HaloMagic]

I had health care in 2009. Can you explain to me how my level of health care has been reduced?

[Bruce Nye]

I had health care in 2009. Can you explain to me how my level of health care has been reduced?

 

 

 

 

 

If this asinine act goes forth, you'll see it. As of now, there has been little to no change.

 

If it such a wonderful thing, why did Obama exempt his executive staff from Obamacare?

[arch stanton]

It's too bad they didn't give the "private sector" a couple hundred years to get it right before they decided to come in and make it worse. I can't think of a more disastrous duo for the good of humanity than corporations and government.

[HaloMagic]

If it such a wonderful thing, why did Obama exempt his executive staff from Obamacare?

He didn't. Sooooo....

[nate]

If there is one thing that our government has shown us, it is that they really have their shit together when it comes to massive control of public money and care.

[mtangelsfan]

Honestly, the only thing the feds have done well is killing people with drones.

[nate]

And wasting tons of money.

 

Oh yeah and being greedy.

[TobiasFunke]

The answer is Obama is following a recipe for socialism.

This country has been "social" for a long time. So.....get over it.

[Jason]

This country has been "social" for a long time. So.....get over it.

And things are going so well too.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Do you have a quote from Reid denying that single-payer was his ultimate goal? I've long read quotes from him discussing his distrust and disgust of private insurance companies.

 

An opinion that he and I share 100 percent. Doling out health care based upon the whims of companies with a profit motive is a poor system.

[nate]

An opinion that he and I share 100 percent. Doling out health care based upon the whims of companies with a profit motive is a poor system.

 

The doctors have a much larger profit motive...

[Crampknees]

We have health insurance through ....... who is self insured and lets United Health care administer it...it sucks. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

I'm with United Health Care. They suck more than my old company who they bought out, who already had more than enough suckage for my taste.

[TobiasFunke]

And things are going so well too.

Let me know how things are when private companies take over Streets Departments, Fire, Police, etc.

[Lhalo]

Fire and police should be handled by the government but I wouldn't mind seeing the private sector having more involvement when it comes to street construction/improvement. Caltrans is a friggin joke. I would also like to see the fire department streamlined a little more. There's no reason for 3 fire engines to show up at grandma's house just because she's having trouble breathing.

[Jason]

Fire and police should be handled by the government but I wouldn't mind seeing the private sector having more involvement when it comes to street construction/improvement. Caltrans is a friggin joke. I would also like to see the fire department streamlined a little more. There's no reason for 3 fire engines to show up at grandma's house just because she's having trouble breathing.

Most of these agencies are ran at the county and local levels which usually are more efficient than state and federal levels.