A’s release renderings of new Las Vegas domed stadium that resembles famous Sydney Opera House

[jeskola]

4 minutes ago, Jeremiah said:

So, again, the question then is, what do you think she meant? What do you infer from those comments? I live in Vegas, and I’ve heard her and her husband (our previous mayor) speak many times. They are both, for better or worse, the type to say exactly what they think. She famously said in CNN that she wanted locals to be guinea pigs to see what Covid does. In the stadium case, the public money has already been earmarked. There is no better deal to be had by trashing the deal or saying how Fisher’s plan makes no sense (it doesn’t, tbh). That’s my take, anyway.

Until everything is official, isnt it best for the politician to say "hey I hope you guys work it out in your current home"? Once they are actually 100% coming to Vegas she will flip the script. Sorry if you are falling for some political speech a few times and now think they are being honest and forthright.

[Inside Pitch]

14 hours ago, Tank said:

they've been the athletics in philly, kc, and oakland. 

i expect they'll be the athletics in vegas, too.

I hope they get a sponsorship deal with Bekins

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

On 3/6/2024 at 11:00 AM, greginpsca said:

Yeah, they already have the Eiffel Tower and a pyramid.

Empire State Building, and the Chrysler Building

[Jeremiah]

36 minutes ago, jeskola said:

Until everything is official, isnt it best for the politician to say "hey I hope you guys work it out in your current home"? Once they are actually 100% coming to Vegas she will flip the script. Sorry if you are falling for some political speech a few times and now think they are being honest and forthright.

Actually, I don’t agree with that at all based on the history of this area, and the multiple times that our mayors have publicly lobbied for specific teams to move here. They tried for the A’s in 2001.  In 2004, the previous Mayor Goodman rolled up to the winter meetings with showgirls, attempting to woo the Marlins. They also made public overtures to the Expos before they moved to DC. All of that was before gambling on sports became mainstream, which is why leagues would say no. In 2018, they began talks with the Diamondbacks before the situation with the A’s came up again. With all of that context and history of Las Vegas openly recruiting baseball teams, it seems to me odd that our mayor would suddenly tell a team owner, basically, that we’re not interested.

[stormngt]

18 hours ago, Jeremiah said:

She did say they’d be better off staying in Oakland. She was pretty clear about that. Under competent and interested ownership, she’s 100% correct. That’s the caveat. What did you infer from those comments?

She said "they arent serious" so they should consider staying in Oakland.

BECAUSE THE A'S DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY AT CASHMAN FIELD WHICH IS IN THE CITY OF LAS VEGAS.

The Tropicana site is in Spring Valley township of Clark County.  Thus the City doesnt collect tax revenue.  Clark County does.

 

Context is very important.  And if you live in Las Vegas you would know the difference and is willingly misleading the board of context.

 

Or you dont live in Las Vegas and just doesn't know the difference. 

[stormngt]

15 hours ago, TroutField said:

"I thought, this does not make sense, and so why is it happening?" Goodman said. "And then I thought, well, because they really want to stay in Oakland, they want to be on the water, they have that magnificent dream. Yet they can't get it done."

When the podcast hosts asked Goodman if it would be a "good thing" if the A's do complete their relocation to Las Vegas, she responded by saying: "I personally think they've gotta figure out a way to stay in Oakland and make their dream come true."
 

I mean, not sure how you can read those quotes and come to a different conclusion. But whatever lol

Maybe because the wuote infers things that doesnt necessarily exists.

 

Goodman wanted the syadoum site in downtown Las Vegas Cashman field.  That site is in the city of Las Vegas.  The Tropicana site is in Clark County.  The city would not make any tax revenue.  She was butthurt that the A's didnt want the Cashman site.   And don't blame them.

[TroutField]

2 hours ago, stormngt said:

Maybe because the wuote infers things that doesnt necessarily exists.

 

Goodman wanted the syadoum site in downtown Las Vegas Cashman field.  That site is in the city of Las Vegas.  The Tropicana site is in Clark County.  The city would not make any tax revenue.  She was butthurt that the A's didnt want the Cashman site.   And don't blame them.

Allegiant, T-Mobile, UNLV stadium, LV Motor Speedway, The Airport, and 1/2 of the strip is in Clark County. I think you’re making your own argument up out of thin air lol if she had that concern why didn’t it keep the raiders or The Aces/The Golden Knights from getting brand new stadiums in Clark county? 

[Jeremiah]

2 hours ago, stormngt said:

She said "they arent serious" so they should consider staying in Oakland.

BECAUSE THE A'S DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY AT CASHMAN FIELD WHICH IS IN THE CITY OF LAS VEGAS.

The Tropicana site is in Spring Valley township of Clark County.  Thus the City doesnt collect tax revenue.  Clark County does.

 

Context is very important.  And if you live in Las Vegas you would know the difference and is willingly misleading the board of context.

 

Or you dont live in Las Vegas and just doesn't know the difference. 

Easy there, big guy. No need to shout or accuse anyone of lying. Nothing I said is untrue or misleading. All anyone asked was what you think of the comments. The Goodmans have been lobbying various teams to come here for over 25 years (evidence of which I referenced). I happen to agree that Fisher’s plan doesn’t make a lot of sense. They’ll be kitty corner to T-Mobile. Can you imagine the congestion if the A’s have a game the same evening as the Knights? Or if there is a huge concert at T-Mobile on the same night? Or the embarrassment if the Knights draw better than the A’s It’d be insane. As for if I live here in Vegas? Don’t do that. I’ve lived and worked in this town for 18 years. You want to have a civil discussion, I’m all for that. You want to shout and accuse me of lying or misleading, then just scroll on by. I’m not here for that.

[Tank]

4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

I hope they get a sponsorship deal with Bekins

[Inside Pitch]

18 minutes ago, Tank said:

Yep, the color scheme works

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, TroutField said:

Allegiant, T-Mobile, UNLV stadium, LV Motor Speedway, The Airport, and 1/2 of the strip is in Clark County. I think you’re making your own argument up out of thin air lol if she had that concern why didn’t it keep the raiders or The Aces/The Golden Knights from getting brand new stadiums in Clark county? 

I thought you were a Vegas Native?  Am I wrong?

Let get some thing clear!

Cashman Field is in one of the worst areas of metro area.  The strip is the most famous areas of the metro area!

The franchises did not want to be near down town but they wanted to be near the strip.  I hope that isnt hard to figure out!

Both mayors Goodman (hubby and wife) want to revitalize downtown.  However, the sport franchises are marketing tourist as well as locals. Thus they want to be near the best resorts.  Which is the strip.  Goodmans had no choice in the area.  You comment like they had a say where venues go!

1. TMobil was open by private money.  The money came from MGM and Casino magnet Adelson.  Those chose TMobile bevause it was the best location to market the team.

2. Allegiant location was also chosen to be near the strip.  Both Golden Knights and Raiders get corporate marketing $$$ because the MGM resorts surround both locations.

3. Of Course the T&M Center  would be on the UNLV campus.  Should they have put it downtown instead on the college Campus?

4. Not sure what you are trying to say about the airport.  Or the Speedway which is so big in real rstate that it had to be on the outskirts of town.

5.  The Mayor of Las Vegas has no say to cobstruction in Clark County.  The county Commission does.  And the state legislature 

From an economic standpoint Cashman field makes sense.  It would be cheaper to build and for A's.  It has the  infrastructure.  However, location is not ideal.

The best economic decision would have been having the stadium built in Summerland.  Houghes corporation has offered the land rent free.  That would make more economic sense.

However the best decision for marketing standpoint is the strip.  The franchise owners know that.  That is why they insisted a location near the strip.

 

These arguments have been well publicized in the Las Vegas Review Journal so I am not maling it up in thin air as you say it.

Edited March 8 by stormngt

[Vegas Halo Fan]

On 3/6/2024 at 4:44 AM, Redondo said:

It should be enclosed for the heat

Like they did in Phoenix

It is. The open ends are enclosed by a series of glass panels.

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, Jeremiah said:

Easy there, big guy. No need to shout or accuse anyone of lying. Nothing I said is untrue or misleading. All anyone asked was what you think of the comments. The Goodmans have been lobbying various teams to come here for over 25 years (evidence of which I referenced). I happen to agree that Fisher’s plan doesn’t make a lot of sense. They’ll be kitty corner to T-Mobile. Can you imagine the congestion if the A’s have a game the same evening as the Knights? Or if there is a huge concert at T-Mobile on the same night? Or the embarrassment if the Knights draw better than the A’s It’d be insane. As for if I live here in Vegas? Don’t do that. I’ve lived and worked in this town for 18 years. You want to have a civil discussion, I’m all for that. You want to shout and accuse me of lying or misleading, then just scroll on by. I’m not here for that.

I never said you didnt live hear.  I just saud if you did live here you would know the context of Carolyn Goodmans quote and you are misleading this board.

Yes the quote can be interpreted to true if you leave the context out.

Many people think its a bad location.  That position has merit.

IMO the best location would have been southside of the strip, sahara and LV bvd.

The strip location nakes too much sense since that is the location to the best resorts and most famous landmarks of the city.

I don't have a problem with Trop and LV bvd.  Its a far better location than originally announced at Trop and Arville.

Parking will not be an issue because there will be 5 resorts hotels within walking distance.  Most of it inside.

You msy have to walk through casino but that is why there is so much support for the location.  You have to walk through casinos.  You will pregame or post game at the casinos.  You will probably drop ten to 20 bucks at the slot machines.

You will have to pay for parking, but you have to do that at any stadium.

As for traffic when TMobile and baseball used at same time.  Again people will not go home amright after the games.  They will eat/drink in the casinos.

I know i dont face any traffice problem parking at the MGM for GK games.  I do avoid Trop.  I go down Spring Mountain to paradise rd.  Park at the MGM, eat at either the MGM or NYNY.  As i leave I go down to TMC ebtrance that gets me back to paradise 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

IMO they should have stayed with the Wild Wild West location on Tropicana west of I-15. I get the idea about Strip proximity. However, traffic on the Strip is already horrible without 35,000 people trying to get to a single location at the same time right at a major intersection.

[T.G.]

F the A's 

[Redondo]

44 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

It is. The open ends are enclosed by a series of glass panels.

With all that glass it will be really hard to keep cool in the middle of summer. 

Strange design for sure

[Jeremiah]

1 hour ago, Redondo said:

With all that glass it will be really hard to keep cool in the middle of summer. 

Strange design for sure

You’d have to wonder if that glass wall would produce some kind of greenhouse effect. Also, if that opening truly faces west with no obstructions, then it’ll be a nightmare for batters around 7:00-8:00 in the summer. There’s no batter’s eye. I know it’s just renderings, but at this point in the process, they’re supposed to be more than speculative.

[TroutField]

2 hours ago, stormngt said:

I thought you were a Vegas Native?  Am I wrong?

Let get some thing clear!

Cashman Field is in one of the worst areas of metro area.  The strip is the most famous areas of the metro area!

The franchises did not want to be near down town but they wanted to be near the strip.  I hope that isnt hard to figure out!

Both mayors Goodman (hubby and wife) want to revitalize downtown.  However, the sport franchises are marketing tourist as well as locals. Thus they want to be near the best resorts.  Which is the strip.  Goodmans had no choice in the area.  You comment like they had a say where venues go!

1. TMobil was open by private money.  The money came from MGM and Casino magnet Adelson.  Those chose TMobile bevause it was the best location to market the team.

2. Allegiant location was also chosen to be near the strip.  Both Golden Knights and Raiders get corporate marketing $$$ because the MGM resorts surround both locations.

3. Of Course the T&M Center  would be on the UNLV campus.  Should they have put it downtown instead on the college Campus?

4. Not sure what you are trying to say about the airport.  Or the Speedway which is so big in real rstate that it had to be on the outskirts of town.

5.  The Mayor of Las Vegas has no say to cobstruction in Clark County.  The county Commission does.  And the state legislature 

From an economic standpoint Cashman field makes sense.  It would be cheaper to build and for A's.  It has the  infrastructure.  However, location is not ideal.

The best economic decision would have been having the stadium built in Summerland.  Houghes corporation has offered the land rent free.  That would make more economic sense.

However the best decision for marketing standpoint is the strip.  The franchise owners know that.  That is why they insisted a location near the strip.

 

These arguments have been well publicized in the Las Vegas Review Journal so I am not maling it up in thin air as you say it.

Writing entire books to justify your wrong take lol what I’m saying is pretty simple… Las Vegas doesn’t want the A’s and the A’s don’t make sense in Vegas. 
 

What does being a resident have to do with anything? I have not heard from a single resident, business owner, mayor, etc in Vegas that is welcoming of the A’s. Especially with the location they chose for the stadium, and it has nothing to do with tax revenue and everything to do with the location not making sense logistically. If you were a local like you keep going on about, you would know that it’s an awful location for a stadium. Traffic will be SO bad…. The raiders can’t even get a good crowd and they only have 8 or 9 home games, and a very die hard fan base, and that basically goes for every location they could find in Vegas. 
 

Parking won’t be an issue because nobody will be going lol 

[TroutField]

10 hours ago, jeskola said:

Until everything is official, isnt it best for the politician to say "hey I hope you guys work it out in your current home"? Once they are actually 100% coming to Vegas she will flip the script. Sorry if you are falling for some political speech a few times and now think they are being honest and forthright.

No. I’ve never seen a mayor come out and straight up say you’re better off not coming to a professional sports team attempting to move to a new city. 

[Redondo]

7 hours ago, Jeremiah said:

You’d have to wonder if that glass wall would produce some kind of greenhouse effect. Also, if that opening truly faces west with no obstructions, then it’ll be a nightmare for batters around 7:00-8:00 in the summer. There’s no batter’s eye. I know it’s just renderings, but at this point in the process, they’re supposed to be more than speculative.

West facing glass in the afternoons really let in a lot of heat and the sunlight

If they end up building this they will have to make some major adjustments IMO

[stormngt]

13 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

IMO they should have stayed with the Wild Wild West location on Tropicana west of I-15. I get the idea about Strip proximity. However, traffic on the Strip is already horrible without 35,000 people trying to get to a single location at the same time right at a major intersection.

My only problem with the Trop and I15 was the parking.  That location would be almost a mile walk from two hotel parking facilitues, and almost 2 miles from four others.

The Strip location outs those parking facilitities within a half mile walk.  And most of that walking would be inside the hotels.  The original location would require almost a mile walk outside where it would be 110 degrees at the start of the game time.

I do not think Traffic will be that big of a problem.  The parking at 5 different hiteks give 5 different exits areas for traffic.  The monorail stos there.  And people will be eating-drinkibg begire abd after games in the casinos.  Thus people will be departing at different times.  Finally they are expecting a large number of opposing fans staying at the hotels. 

I Could be wrong on the traffic issues, but i think they have that planned out.

[Taylor]

10 minutes ago, stormngt said:

My only problem with the Trop and I15 was the parking.  That location would be almost a mile walk from two hotel parking facilitues, and almost 2 miles from four others.

The Strip location outs those parking facilitities within a half mile walk.  And most of that walking would be inside the hotels.  The original location would require almost a mile walk outside where it would be 110 degrees at the start of the game time.

I do not think Traffic will be that big of a problem.  The parking at 5 different hiteks give 5 different exits areas for traffic.  The monorail stos there.  And people will be eating-drinkibg begire abd after games in the casinos.  Thus people will be departing at different times.  Finally they are expecting a large number of opposing fans staying at the hotels. 

I Could be wrong on the traffic issues, but i think they have that planned out.

What is a hitek?

[T.G.]

6 minutes ago, Taylor said:

What is a hitek?

hotel

 

[Jeremiah]

II don’t think they’ll draw even as many fans as the Knights do. That won’t be a good look for MLB or the A’s. There’s no local excitement for this. The only pushback I’d offer on the hotel/casino patrons is that, from what I’ve seen at Golden Knights, Silver Knights, and 51’s/Aviators games is that most people bring their families, including kids. Those folks are likely not pre- or post-gaming at the casinos. I don’t when I bring my kids to T-Mobile. I don’t see opposing team fans being enough to support an MLB team for 81 home games. As a sports team, is that what you want anyway? The team needs majority local fan support. Fisher won’t get that unless he spends $100-$150M on the roster. Is he going to suddenly start doing that in the 40th-ranked market when he never did in the 10th-ranked one? I don’t think so. If it was an expansion team, maybe, but for this organization? No way.

[stormngt]

12 minutes ago, Taylor said:

What is a hitek?

Typo for hotels