Paul Goldschmidt?

[Blarg]

3 hours ago, Hubs said:

Bush, Suarez, Davidson, Sandoval for Goldy and Flaherty? 

No. That is tearing apart the future for a 35 year old 1st baseman and below league average pitcher that is a free agent next year. It's the stupid shit that drowned this franchise for 10 years. 

[Stradling]

Goldy will not come as cheap as some think. He will cost you a Quero and then some. According to the trade simulator it’s would cost Quero, Bush and Blakely. 

[REDneck]

3 hours ago, angelsfan100 said:

I had a dream about this once a few years ago

Did it end in a mess?

[REDneck]

3 hours ago, stormngt said:

Lets see

 

Paul:  you cam go to a team in the race for a playoffs and play with two HOF players

Or

You can stay in St Louis and keep losing.

 

Tough choice!!!!!

No..not really.

[REDneck]

Shohei aint going anywhere if you trade for Goldschmidt...for those of you in that camp.

I wouldn't think there is anyone in both camps.

Edited June 15, 2023 by REDneck

[EDinTUSTIN]

6 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

and Goldy's defense has always been elite. He has 4 gold gloves and has always been one of the better all-around 1B's in the league. 

This. He also digs out low throws adroitly and has good range.

[disarcina]

Goldschmidt staying right where he is.

Cards likely. will be sellers at deadline time -  they just got swept at home by. the. SF Giants today when the Cards pen snatched defeat from the jaw of victory  once again -- but Goldy and Arenado not going anywhere. The rest of the team perhaps -- they've got a surplus of. OF'ers and an extra good feeling MIF. But not the one thing everyone wants --  pitching.

[johndw52]

7 hours ago, REDneck said:

Goldie would look sexy AF in today's lineup.

 

 

 

 

Hawn!

When she was young and hot! These days she looks like something out of carnival freak show.

 

Carefull I think Wyatt may be scanning these forums. He loves baseball.

[Hubs]

14 hours ago, Blarg said:

No. That is tearing apart the future for a 35 year old 1st baseman and below league average pitcher that is a free agent next year. It's the stupid shit that drowned this franchise for 10 years. 

Blarg, we have a difference of opinion on value of Goldschmidt.

It's going to take at least one solid major league piece, probably a pitcher. They'd probably want Detmers instead of Sandoval, but I'd say no to that, unless it was a one for two swap, meaning Detmers for Flaherty and Goldschmidt.

 

And as for the future, Bush maybe, but keeping Bachman here and Detmers, so... I dont see a place where Suarez, Davidson have jobs beyond the season.

 

To trade for the reigning NL MVP, it's going to take players/prospects of value.

 

They traded Kotchman for Texieria, but it would take more than that, as Goldy is under contract next year.

[Angel Oracle]

11 hours ago, johndw52 said:

Carefull I think Wyatt may be scanning these forums. He loves baseball.

And played in the Halos org.

[totdprods]

No trade for Goldschmidt would tear apart the future, nor would he just be a salary dump - he won the MVP last year, his contract is reasonable, and he’s still quite good - would be second on this team in WAR and OPS+, only behind Sho.

I imagine the Cards would have a lot of interest in Quero, given the way Contreras has been handled, but they don’t need that to be imminent. Sure, it would be great if the Angels had O’Hoppe and Quero as the future tandem, but there’s still risk with Quero and rarely do teams equitably split time with two catchers. It’s gonna be O’Hoppe a lionsshare of the time, and someone like Thaiss or even Wallach will be a capable secondary guy for ‘24-‘25. Do I want to part with Quero? No way, but he may be a centerpiece that makes sense for both clubs without the Halos having to lose too much else - it would be great to hold on to as many arms as possible still, and building around Quero could help keep names like Silseth, Bush, Bachman from ever being mentioned. Adell, Detmers (who I really wouldn’t want to move at all), and Bachman all have some geographical ties to nearby…Neto’s ascension makes it much easier to part with one of our infield prospects now too. Adams is probably buried behind Adell and Moniak and seems like the type of OF that St. Louis would like.

There is probably both a Quality offer the Angels could make, or a Quantity offer, and neither would be cheap, but neither would break the future. The potential inclusion of an arm could add to either.

Lastly, I have to think Houston is really watching this. They’re in the race due to the strength of their pitching, but that depth is getting stretched really thin and could come apart. Alvarez is out for a month, and Abreu looks *cooked*. Goldschmidt is a Houston boy. He’d immediately give them a boost with Yordan out and maybe Abreu covering DH helps him get back on track. This is a good preventative move for the Angels to not just make themselves better, but to also keep the Astros on the edge this year and next, which could be good for retaining Shohei. 

Edited June 15, 2023 by totdprods

[totdprods]

Also, @Chuckster70, that AW tweet of this is blowing the eff up, sheesh. Like 75k views?

[REDneck]

48 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

And played in the Halos org.

Wow!

Was not aware of this. If I was I may have reconsidered my post about Goldie, 

 

Nah!

[Hubs]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Lastly, I have to think Houston is really watching this. They’re in the race due to the strength of their pitching, but that depth is getting stretched really thin and could come apart. Alvarez is out for a month, and Abreu looks *cooked*. Goldschmidt is a Houston boy. He’d immediately give them a boost with Yordan out and maybe Abreu covering DH helps him get back on track. This is a good preventative move for the Angels to not just make themselves better, but to also keep the Astros on the edge this year and next, which could be good for retaining Shohei. 

The one good thing is that the Astros don't really have any pitching depth in the upper minors. They are using guys and they are pitching well, after a bunch of injuries to their starting five. 

If they wanted to trade Hunter Brown and a prospect, they could likely make this work, Brown is valued right about where Detmers was. But I doubt they want to do that. 

The Cards have a young OF, and don't need more young OF, and they are perennial contenders, so they would only trade their best hitter if they got multiple starters with upside that would be ready now or soon.

So, it depends on if the Angels are willing to give up multiple young guys, in addition to Suarez and a solid prospect. I doubt they trade multiple starters but I could see Sandoval being dealt instead of Quero. 

Would you as the Cardinals really say no to Sandoval, Suarez, Bush and a guy like Placencia plus maybe Fletcher (for some Salary) and Adell?

Now thats a haul to give up, and so I am assuming they take back both Flaherty and Goldy, but you'd really have to think about that.

The Angels would then likely move Walsh, so maybe he, Davidson, and prospect like Sanchez or Vera, gets you Keller and Chapman?

That's a lot of moving pieces, but you'd be keeping your top prospect catchers, and bringing in two new arms to replace one out of your rotation in Sandoval. You'd still have Silseth and Erla and others in the minors for depth (Plus Bachman and Anderson in the pen).

Lineup Porn:

LF Ward / Moniak

DH Ohtani

CF Trout

1B Goldschmidt

3B Rendon

RF Renfroe / Moniak

2B Drury/Ursula

C Thaiss/Wallach

SS Neto

Bench 

Rengifo / Moniak / Wallach / Urshela

Rotation

Ohtani / Barria / Canning / Detmers / Flaherty / Keller 

BP

Estevez / Moore / Devenski / Chapman / Bachman / Joyce / Soriano / Anderson 

 

 

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Also, @Chuckster70, that AW tweet of this is blowing the eff up, sheesh. Like 75k views?

Yep! We went over 12.5K followers yesterday too. 

[totdprods]

well, here’s something else to keep in mind about dealing from guys like Bush, Bachman, Silseth, Crow, Erla, Koch, Quero…

Perry is aggressive AF about promoting minor leaguers. We may eat into depth this deadline, but we’re a month shy of probably drafting a couple guys who, at this rate, will be scratching the majors in ‘24 anyways. It’s a somewhat radical and reckless way to operate, but I’m not quite as worried about the trading AA talent give the way they’ve drafted and promoted Neto, Bachman, Detmers, Silseth, and Joyce - and for the most part, those have not backfired. 

It kinda goes against conventional baseball wisdom in that sense, but the track record they have the last couple seasons of drafting and aggressively promoting is working to a degree. And they’ve drafted an incredible amount of arms. 

I don’t think we’re throwing away the future by trading a couple guys we can likely replace in the draft. 

[Hubs]

Our top 5 Prospects Right Now are probably 

1) Quero, 2) Bush, 3) Guzman 4) Rada 5)Bachman 

Assuming O'Hoppe, Neto, and Silseth have all graduated. They would rank 1, 2, 4 probably, Quero being 3rd.

The 11th pick will be someone like one of these guys --> From Jim Callis.

9. Rockies: Chase Dollander, RHP, Tennessee (No. 6)
Dollander entered the year as the clear best pitching prospect, but now teams are struggling to figure out what to make of an inconsistent spring during which he has lasted five innings in just one of his five starts. There's still time for him to pitch his way back into top-six-pick discussion, especially in a Draft with few college arms worthy of first-round consideration.

10. Marlins: Noble Meyer, RHP, Jesuit HS, Portland, Ore. (No. 16)
Many teams are leery of taking high school pitchers in the first round, but this might be more floor than ceiling for Meyer, who has a mid-90s fastball, potential wipeout slider and outstanding makeup.

11. Angels: Rhett Lowder, RHP, Wake Forest (No. 9)
Lowder appeals to teams who covet reliability, as he has posted eight quality starts in 11 outings while repeatedly working with a 92-95 mph fastball, plus changeup and plenty of strikes.

12. D-backs: Colin Houck, SS, Parkview HS, Lilburn, Ga. (No. 18)
Another prep shortstop on the rise, Houck has all-around ability and stands out most with his power potential. The former quarterback should continue to get better as he leaves football in his rear-view mirror.

[ten ocho recon scout]

This isn't happening, but it would be nice.

Walsh is a nice glove at 1B. Goldschmidt is better.

The bat is plus plus. He would make this a very dangerous lineup. The lineup would instantly become elite in all of baseball.

Again, don't see this happening at all, but he'd very a great add.

[Angelsfan1984]

Think the move will be SP help...not a rental, but someone with 1 additional year. Almost an Ohtani exit contingency plan. 

I also think 1b gets addressed. Walsh is great defensively, but my god his bat is invisible at this point. If he could hit in the .230-.240 range then sure its justified, but you cannot trot out an automatic out on a contending team.

[ten ocho recon scout]

6 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

 but you cannot trot out an automatic out on a contending team.

 

[ShotimeDynasty]

On 6/15/2023 at 10:18 AM, totdprods said:

No trade for Goldschmidt would tear apart the future, nor would he just be a salary dump - he won the MVP last year, his contract is reasonable, and he’s still quite good - would be second on this team in WAR and OPS+, only behind Sho.

I imagine the Cards would have a lot of interest in Quero, given the way Contreras has been handled, but they don’t need that to be imminent. Sure, it would be great if the Angels had O’Hoppe and Quero as the future tandem, but there’s still risk with Quero and rarely do teams equitably split time with two catchers. It’s gonna be O’Hoppe a lionsshare of the time, and someone like Thaiss or even Wallach will be a capable secondary guy for ‘24-‘25. Do I want to part with Quero? No way, but he may be a centerpiece that makes sense for both clubs without the Halos having to lose too much else - it would be great to hold on to as many arms as possible still, and building around Quero could help keep names like Silseth, Bush, Bachman from ever being mentioned. Adell, Detmers (who I really wouldn’t want to move at all), and Bachman all have some geographical ties to nearby…Neto’s ascension makes it much easier to part with one of our infield prospects now too. Adams is probably buried behind Adell and Moniak and seems like the type of OF that St. Louis would like.

There is probably both a Quality offer the Angels could make, or a Quantity offer, and neither would be cheap, but neither would break the future. The potential inclusion of an arm could add to either.

Lastly, I have to think Houston is really watching this. They’re in the race due to the strength of their pitching, but that depth is getting stretched really thin and could come apart. Alvarez is out for a month, and Abreu looks *cooked*. Goldschmidt is a Houston boy. He’d immediately give them a boost with Yordan out and maybe Abreu covering DH helps him get back on track. This is a good preventative move for the Angels to not just make themselves better, but to also keep the Astros on the edge this year and next, which could be good for retaining Shohei. 

Good points made here. The Cards are well stocked with young position player depth, but could use a Catcher like Quero in their system and they badly need starting pitching. Would think Quero plus a guy like Ky Bush or Jack Kochanowicz could get the conversation started. A move like this would be akin to going all in for a Shohei extension assuming Arte is willing to pay up accordingly

 

also gotta add that I cannot find anywhere that Goldy has a NTC…

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, ShotimeDynasty said:

Good points made here. The Cards are well stocked with young position player depth, but could use a Catcher like Quero in their system and they badly need starting pitching. Would think Quero plus a guy like Ky Bush or Jack Kochanowicz could get the conversation started. A move like this would be akin to going all in for a Shohei extension assuming Arte is willing to pay up accordingly

 

also gotta add that I cannot find anywhere that Goldy has a NTC…

[Angelsfan1984]

18 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

 

Its ugly out there for Trout right now. No doubt.

[oldguy]

On 6/14/2023 at 8:31 PM, EDinTUSTIN said:

This. He also digs out low throws adroitly and has good range.

I'm betting that was the first use of the word "adroitly" in Angelswin history.

[EDinTUSTIN]

6 hours ago, oldguy said:

I'm betting that was the first use of the word "adroitly" in Angelswin history.

I try anyway. LOL