Brandon Marsh

[Second Base]

Brandon Marsh is going to be a good starting outfielder in the major leagues for a long time. 

Logan O'Hoppe is going to be a good starting catcher in the major leagues for a long time.

Good trade. Both sides.

[Swordsman78]

1 hour ago, case said:

 

Marsh hitting .176 over the last 31 days. (1 HR 2 2B)

Marsh hitting .071 over the last 15 days. (1 2B)

A haircut and a shave could not hurt.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Marsh's OPS+ is the same as Trout.

Yeah, Marsh sucks 

 

(Sorry. Somebody had to say it)

[Dtwncbad]

I am not pulling against Marsh, but I was never really convinced he was a great bet offensively.  It always seemed like he would get the “projectable” benefit of the doubt because of his size.

He seemed very tradable to me because of my uncertainty about him offensively.

[case]

I like Brandon Marsh.  I just didn't believe he is going to be a .300+ with 30 bombs

He feels like a 15-20 steal guy who hits 15-20 HR and hits around .270

[Inside Pitch]

8 minutes ago, case said:

I like Brandon Marsh.  I just didn't believe he is going to be a .300+ with 30 bombs

He feels like a 15-20 steal guy who hits 15-20 HR and hits around .270

Even .270 may be on the high side, he's always had a lot of swing and miss to his game.  What he always did in the minors and has been doing this season even as his average has plummeted is get on base. If he can continue to do that he will be a pretty productive player thanks to his speed and defense.  

[bruin5]

It seems the Phillies hitting coach really messed him up. 

 - Kind of kidding but there were some comments about how great a job he did in helping Marsh. 

[Lou]

16 hours ago, bruin5 said:

It seems the Phillies hitting coach really messed him up. 

 

and Trea Turner 

[T.G.]

15 hours ago, Lou said:

and Trea Turner 

and Kyle Schwarber is hitting a robust .177

[Jeff Fletcher]

9 hours ago, bruin5 said:

It seems the Phillies hitting coach really messed him up. 

 - Kind of kidding but there were some comments about how great a job he did in helping Marsh. 

Apparently the hitting coach that was brilliant enough to fix Marsh couldn’t figure out Mickey Moniak. 
 

(I think it’s dumb any time people try to give too much blame or credit to coaches at the major league level.)

[ScottT]

Last night iI talked to a guy that knows Jeremy  Reed.... and used to catch Matt Wise. 

Y'all dumb.

May be unrelated.  May not.  Carry on

But... a lot of y'all are nuts.  

[Docwaukee]

Marsh is a nice player that has value as a CFer.  We replaced him with a trade of almost nothing for a solid player that costs a bit more.  We also got a starting major league catcher with a bright future who happens to be injured at the moment but should return and give us another 5 years of service time.  That's called a solid use of resources.  

[ScruffytheJanitor]

On 5/22/2023 at 9:59 PM, case said:

 

Marsh hitting .176 over the last 31 days. (1 HR 2 2B)

Marsh hitting .071 over the last 15 days. (1 2B)

To be fair, O'Hoppe has been stuck hitting .000 for over a month. 

[Taylor]

20 hours ago, ScruffytheJanitor said:

To be fair, O'Hoppe has been stuck hitting .000 for over a month. 

We lost the trade.

[Reveille1984]

Can't depend on an Irishman, everyone knows that

[Second Base]

I make that trade every time. 

[AngelStew43]

8 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I make that trade every time. 

Me too.  An OF with the talents of Marsh, and he is talented, can be found on every ML club, or in their farm system.  Catchers with the talent of O'hoppe are much harder to find, and most teams won't give them up in trade. 

[gurn67]

A year ago, I thought Taylor Ward had turned the corner and was going to be a solid .800+ OPS guy for years to come. Maybe a borderline All-Star caliber player. I don't think I was alone in that.

Marsh has a .512 OPS for May. Pitchers make adjustments. So far, he hasn't. 

[Inside Pitch]

56 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I make that trade every time. 

I was as high (still am) on Marsh as anyone and I was always 100% in favor of moving him for anything resembling the same value/upside at catcher.   Like Doc said, so much of his value is tied to his playing CF and the Angels have Mike Trout -- meanwhile the need at C was pretty clear.

[Blarg]

Hopefully O'Hoppe isn't Oh-Hobbled because of the shoulder. Yes, it's his left and not his throwing arm but that is his glove and lead while hitting. He was showing plus power before the injury so I hope that returns after physical therapy. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

On 5/25/2023 at 1:28 PM, Inside Pitch said:

I was as high (still am) on Marsh as anyone and I was always 100% in favor of moving him for anything resembling the same value/upside at catcher.   

Funny you mention this. I posted a question on here a few years back asking if people would be good with flipping Adell for a lesser prospect (when Adell was highly touted) somewhere more needed, specifically a Catcher, with no one in mind. And got yelled at.

I think this is always something you have to consider. @cals brought up Beltre in another thread today. I argued the same thing back then. I wanted Beltre so badly because we didn't have any in house options, and 3Bs almost never come along. (Until Rendon... which is funny, because of course that happened to us).

Obviously we still need to see Ohoppe to know if it was worth it. He could come back and suck. But I think at worst, he's the Marsh of Catchers. Decent enough bat, very good defensively.

I'll take that at C over an outfielder all day long.

[Angelsjunky]

Marsh's triple-slash right now--.268/.380/.471--is about what I'd expect from peak Marsh. He's trending downward right now, but that line is about what I think he'll produce over the next 5+ years, with a good amount of oscillation above and below.