Is the Rendon deal a bust?

[Taylor]

He's 32, in the fourth year of his deal, having barely played a full season's worth of games in three years. He's only played in 4 out of 10 games this season and is injured again.

I think it's safe to say this deal is a bust.

[jsnpritchett]

I voted yes.  None of the injuries are his fault, but unless he has some crazy year in the next couple, wins MVP, and leads the Angels to a World Series title or something, it's hard to see how the deal could be considered a good one, given what has happened thus far. 

[m0nkey]

In fairness to him he basically played a full 2020.  

Definitely did not remember him finishing top 10 in MVP that year

[fan_since79]

Worse deal than even Pujols.

Even money that he plays fewer than 100 games this year.

I'll be glad to be proved wrong.

[WicketMaiden]

I haven't given up on him, yet. But he needs to have a good, productive season this year and replicate that for the following three. At least he's pretty useful when he's on the team, he just isn't on the team enough, so far. GMJ, Wells, Hamilton were worse, but that is a pretty low bar to clear.

[Revad]

He can still be a valuable member of a championship team, that would change the math.  Better do it this year while Ohtani is still here.

[Chuck]

No. 

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

No. 

Why not?

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

Why not?

Yeah, I don't know how you can definitively answer "no" at this point.  I totally get the "Not yet" responses, but not a flat-out "no."

[Blarg]

Ironic the word bust was used in this thread since that is all he has been for 4 years; busted. Busted body parts and busted for fighting. 

[Torridd]

41 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Yeah, I don't know how you can definitively answer "no" at this point.  I totally get the "Not yet" responses, but not a flat-out "no."

I also answered No. He's not 34. He still has time but , as everyone says, he really needs to make a dent this year.

[Jason]

You look at what they are paying him and the expectations then he absolutely is a bust.

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I also answered No. He's not 34. He still has time but , as everyone says, he really needs to make a dent this year.

He probably has an ass groove spot on the bench too 

[IheartLA]

Just leaving this here to warn you some posters don't tolerate hate towards their man Anthony.

On 12/11/2019 at 9:03 AM, Stradling said:

But even though we need Cole a helluva a lot more than we need Rendon, I'd say Rendon will live up to whatever contract he gets much more so than Cole living up to $324 million.  

 

On 1/5/2022 at 4:09 AM, IheartLA said:

Man I wish we signed Cole rather than Rendon, 2 more years and $1M per year more the difference in their contracts. Instead we got Anthony Rendon taking on the Pujols role for the next 5 years.

Thanks Arte!

On 1/5/2022 at 8:55 AM, Stradling said:

Yea cool story.  Rendon was great in 2020 and hurt last year. Call him Pujols, it makes you sound like a complete jackass. 

On 9/29/2021 at 5:51 PM, Stradling said:

Probably a little premature to call Rendon’s contract a bust. 

[Angelsjunky]

Here are the actual numbers:

2020-22: $74,658,728 (adjusted for 2020)

157 games, .252/.359/.420, 116 wRC+, 3.4 fWAR

So he's been paid almost $75 million for about a full year's worth of playing time, performing at an above average level (3.4 WAR, 116 wRC+).

You do the math. 

And yes, he's been a bust so far, and it will be hard to dig himself out of the "bust hole," considering that such contracts are supposedly front-loaded in terms of value. The above represents his age 30-32 seasons; he's still got 33-36 to go, owed $154.3M.

Let's say he averages 3.4 fWAR per 150 games played, and manages to average 110 games over the next four years, or 440 games total. At 3.4 per 150 games played, that's about 10 fWAR, which would bring his total to 13.4 fWAR for about $230M, or $17.2M per Win.

Even if he has a revival and, say, averages 130 games played, 4.5 WAR per 150 games, that's still ending up at 19 WAR for $230M, or $12M per Win. Not absolutely horrible, but not good -- and very unlikely that he plays that much (520 games over the next four years) or that well.

 

[jsnpritchett]

12 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I also answered No. He's not 34. He still has time but , as everyone says, he really needs to make a dent this year.

Sooooo, then aren't you really in the "Not yet, but will be soon" camp?

[Blarg]

I'm in the Lemon Law group. The Angels should get a refund.

[jsnpritchett]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

You look at what they are paying him and the expectations then he absolutely is a bust.

Exactly.  Last season and this season, he's been one of the top 5 highest-paid position players in all of baseball. 

[m0nkey]

18 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I also answered No. He's not 34. He still has time but , as everyone says, he really needs to make a dent this year.

He's not 34, but he's 33 in June

[bloodbrother]

Yes.

[Taylor]

29 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I also answered No. He's not 34. He still has time but , as everyone says, he really needs to make a dent this year.

I'm 34 and definitely a bust.

[Don3347]

Voted yes, but I'm willing to change his mind if he can stay healthy and hit at least 20 homers and hit at least . 275. 

If not he's an overpaid bum!

[REDneck]

44 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Here are the actual numbers:

2020-22: $74,658,728 (adjusted for 2020)

157 games, .252/.359/.420, 116 wRC+, 3.4 fWAR

So he's been paid almost $75 million for about a full year's worth of playing time, performing at an above average level (3.4 WAR, 116 wRC+).

You do the math. 

And yes, he's been a bust so far, and it will be hard to dig himself out of the "bust hole," considering that such contracts are supposedly front-loaded in terms of value. The above represents his age 30-32 seasons; he's still got 33-36 to go, owed $154.3M.

Let's say he averages 3.4 fWAR per 150 games played, and manages to average 110 games over the next four years, or 440 games total. At 3.4 per 150 games played, that's about 10 fWAR, which would bring his total to 13.4 fWAR for about $230M, or $17.2M per Win.

Even if he has a revival and, say, averages 130 games played, 4.5 WAR per 150 games, that's still ending up at 19 WAR for $230M, or $12M per Win. Not absolutely horrible, but not good -- and very unlikely that he plays that much (520 games over the next four years) or that well.

 

Great synopsis.

Cold hard facts!

Yet, there will still be people who vote NO.

[Jason]

1 hour ago, m0nkey said:

He's not 34, but he's 33 in June

I just turned 50 so that seems young to me lol

[Chuck]

@Taylor has a hard on for Rendon like Claude did for Pujols.