Alright, Bundy. This is your last chance

[Stradling]

No one wants to hear this but the Angels may have the depth to replace Bundy and Quintana but they don’t have the depth to remove both of those guys off the roster.  This is not me advocating keeping them in the rotation it is just a fact that you need depth.  You only have to follow the Angels for a month or two to know that pitchers health is always in question.  

[Tank]

17 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

You have such a short window to decide. How much do you give him and for how long? Angels have cheap options waiting in Barria, Suarez, Detmers and maybe Chris Rod. Halos have a history of mistakes with FA pitchers. I put him in bullpen and start Barria now.

He’s going to be a free agent in four months. You won’t get much for him.

The halos might be beginning a good run. If he’s pitching well, hang on to him. Could help us get into October. Plus, our CFer is returning next month…

[Revad]

Is Ward hitting third, I just a have a problem getting that through my head.

Edited June 20, 2021 by Revad

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Revad said:

Is Ward hitting third, I just a have a problem getting that through my head.

Because of his past?  Or because of his current production?

[Angels 1961]

You are right will not get much if anything for him. My question how many to you continue to pitch him if he pitches bad? I'd put him in pen maybe he can help halos there. 

[greginpsca]

5 minutes ago, Tank said:

He’s going to be a free agent in four months. You won’t get much for him.

The halos might be beginning a good run. If he’s pitching well, hang on to him. Could help us get into October. Plus, our CFer is returning next month…

When i hear "you won't get much" , it reminds me of the Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz trade. You just never know.

[Angels 1961]

14 minutes ago, Stradling said:

No one wants to hear this but the Angels may have the depth to replace Bundy and Quintana but they don’t have the depth to remove both of those guys off the roster.  This is not me advocating keeping them in the rotation it is just a fact that you need depth.  You only have to follow the Angels for a month or two to know that pitchers health is always in question.  

Put them in bullpen, many pitchers have reinvented themselves in pen. 

[greginpsca]

2 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Put them in bullpen, many pitchers have reinvented themselves in pen. 

Can you say Dennis Eckersly.

[Lou]

41 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

When i hear "you won't get much" , it reminds me of the Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz trade. You just never know.

That was more than 3 decades ago.

[Lou]

37 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Can you say Dennis Eckersly.

That was more than 3 decades ago.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

That was more than 3 decades ago.

And he had good stuff.  

[Tank]

9 hours ago, greginpsca said:

When i hear "you won't get much" , it reminds me of the Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz trade. You just never know.

That happened around 1985. Got anything more recent?

[Vegas Halo Fan]

14 hours ago, greginpsca said:

When i hear "you won't get much" , it reminds me of the Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz trade. You just never know.

The Braves saw something in Smoltz that the Tigers didn't. When they acquired him, he looked like minor league depth, unremarkable numbers in the minors.

[arch stanton]

The Tigers were all in for that season and Alexander was great for them. More egregious to me was trading Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen

[WicketMaiden]

Here's a thought: was Bundy's good year last year merely a product of pitching with a juiced ball? 

After a few years of mediocrity he had a great start and looked like a genuine no1 or no2, then he tailed off towards the end of last season, I think at around the time there were rumours that the league had started using old balls again (memory is a little hazy on that), and then again this year he's been a no5 at best with the new un-juiced balls the league are now using. Coincidence? Or does someone have some data on different pitch usage that explains it more scientifically? 

[Angel Oracle]

The good news: velocity yesterday increased to sitting on 90-91mph with the sinker (couple of 92s), and 4 seam.

Didn’t seem to throw many sliders though, aside from three straight on the Paredes double play.

Last two pitches (Rogers double) were both 89 though. 

[Revad]

I thought he did fine

[Angels 1961]

8 minutes ago, Revad said:

I thought he did fine

A starter going just 4 inn will kill bullpen

[DMVol]

9 hours ago, Tank said:

That happened around 1985. Got anything more recent?

Martin Maldonado for Patrick Sandoval may work out pretty well for the Angels....

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

A manager pulling the starter after just 4 inn will kill bullpen

 

[Angels 1961]

10 minutes ago, DMVol said:

Martin Maldonado for Patrick Sandoval may work out pretty well for the Angels....

Andy Kosco for Chris Colerra, he hit 300 for halos

[totdprods]

5 hours ago, WicketMaiden said:

Here's a thought: was Bundy's good year last year merely a product of pitching with a juiced ball? 

After a few years of mediocrity he had a great start and looked like a genuine no1 or no2, then he tailed off towards the end of last season, I think at around the time there were rumours that the league had started using old balls again (memory is a little hazy on that), and then again this year he's been a no5 at best with the new un-juiced balls the league are now using. Coincidence? Or does someone have some data on different pitch usage that explains it more scientifically? 

Bundy always pitched well against the non-Angels AL West teams, and the NL West parks tend to favor pitchers. I think that was a big part of it. 

He's been trounced by some west teams this year though. 

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Andy Kosco for Chris Colerra, he hit 300 for halos

Andy Kosco? That was like 1969.

[Angels 1961]

17 minutes ago, Tank said:

Andy Kosco? That was like 1969.

72

[eligrba]

On 6/20/2021 at 1:06 PM, greginpsca said:

Can you say Dennis Eckersly.

I remember watching him pitch for the Indians and being mesmerized by his all-out effort on every pitch.  I didn't know you could do that and not have your arm fall off.