A’s vs Angels: payroll discrepancy

[TheLordofOuts]

2021 Oakland A’s - $75 million 1st place AL West

3 playoff appearances in the last 3 years

2021 LA Angels - $177 million last place AL West

0 playoff appearances in the last 3 years

 

Arte is basically outspending the A’s by $100 million to put out a vastly inferior product. He hasn’t been shy about spending money. In fact, in 2004 when he went on a spending spree, he brought in some really good players and the next 6 seasons was arguably an amazing era of Angels’ baseball success.  
 

He continued on with this philosophy of spending money to fix roster issues, and it has netted players who have vastly underperformed.  At some point, I’m hoping he learns that his approach isn’t working and will change it. He doesn’t have to go full on A’s Moneyball. But, it’s really frustrating to see a team that is being paid $100 million less having the best record in the American League. 

[Stradling]

Such a fresh topic. 

[failos]

BREAKING NEWS

[Jason]

Imagine there’s a lot of teams better than the Angels that have a smaller payroll 

[tdawg87]

This thread feels very Canadian-y.

[Skankhunt42]

Thanks captain obvious. 

[T.G.]

LordofOutdatedTakes

[Angel Oracle]

Yep, been going on for awhile

And now, two Halos making over $55 million between them each has a sub .700 OPS, which doesn’t include the released Pujols.

Edited May 23, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Angel Oracle]

Imagine how good the A’s would be if they would spend more to keep their best players.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Imagine how good the A’s would be if they would spend more to keep their best players.

And you bitch about Arte.  

[Angel Oracle]

7 minutes ago, Stradling said:

And you bitch about Arte.  

Because he wastes so much money on the wrong people.

Trout’s new contract is the only big one so far that hasn’t bitten him in the arse over the past decade.

It’s almost comically bad.

You build a strong farm and supplement with good trades like the A’s do, and then you should spend to retain enough of the good ones and replace the others with those on the farm or via smart trades (not rash ones).

Edited May 23, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

Because he wastes so much money on the wrong people.

You build a strong farm and supplement with good trades like the A’s do, and then you should spend to retain enough of the good ones and replace the others with those on the farm or via smart trades (not rash ones).

Ok and the A’s owner has more money than Arte and refuses to use it.  Trust me if this was A’sWin.com you’d be equally mad at their owner.  Also we would all lose our shit when he trades away our home grown talent every 3-5 years.  If you don’t believe that then you don’t know yourself.  

[Angel Oracle]

Just now, Stradling said:

Ok and the A’s owner has more money than Arte and refuses to use it.  Trust me if this was A’sWin.com you’d be equally mad at their owner.  Also we would all lose our shit when he trades away our home grown talent every 3-5 years.  If you don’t believe that then you don’t know yourself.  

I would at least be seeing a contender play, and not this same old act for six years.

[Stradling]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

I would at least be seeing a contender play, and not this same old act for six years.

Yea, for a few years you would see a “contender”, then you would see 100 loss team for a few years, then a “contender”.  Don’t forget, I remember you when we were a contender.  

[T.G.]

9 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

I would at least be seeing a contender play, and not this same old act for six years.

Speaking of "same old act..."

[rageous]

113 million going out in 2021 to 

Pujols

Rendon

Upton

R Iglesias

Cobb

Quintana

Those are the main reasons why the team can't win even with top 10 payroll every year.

You can go back 10 years and the list of severely underperforming contracts every year is long.

[Angels 1961]

50 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Speaking of "same old act..."

Reset

[Angelsjunky]

Billy Beane is a really smart guy. Dipoto and Eppler, not so much. The jury is out on Minasian, but so far he seems like Eppler 2.

[UndertheHalo]

Didn’t Billy beane leave the A’s ? And I’d be interested to see how much the Angels spend on development and analytics vs the A’s. 

[NrM]

2 hours ago, TheLordofOuts said:

2021 Oakland A’s - $75 million 1st place AL West

3 playoff appearances in the last 3 years

2021 LA Angels - $177 million last place AL West

0 playoff appearances in the last 3 years

 

Arte is basically outspending the A’s by $100 million to put out a vastly inferior product. He hasn’t been shy about spending money. In fact, in 2004 when he went on a spending spree, he brought in some really good players and the next 6 seasons was arguably an amazing era of Angels’ baseball success.  
 

He continued on with this philosophy of spending money to fix roster issues, and it has netted players who have vastly underperformed.  At some point, I’m hoping he learns that his approach isn’t working and will change it. He doesn’t have to go full on A’s Moneyball. But, it’s really frustrating to see a team that is being paid $100 million less having the best record in the American League. 

The Angels had great farm systems in the Bill Stoneman era. Spending + developing talent usually equates to sustainable success over many years. Bill Stoneman was also pretty successful in the talent he was able to bring in through free agency.

[TooCool]

Best way to motivate players... you lose? You get 50% of your pay docked.

If only...

[Angelsjunky]

15 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Didn’t Billy beane leave the A’s ? And I’d be interested to see how much the Angels spend on development and analytics vs the A’s. 

Wikipedia says he is "the executive vice president of baseball operations and minority owner" of the As. David Forst is the GM, has been since 2015.

[ScottT]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Such a fresh topic. 

If that was a requirement, this... and every other forum... would be dead.

It is remarkable.  And deserves to be brought up repeatedly. The Angels are certainly failing at some things.

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Wikipedia says he is "the executive vice president of baseball operations and minority owner" of the As. David Forst is the GM, has been since 2015.

Could have sworn he recently left.  Guess I completely imagined that.  Lol. 

[Angel Oracle]

4 minutes ago, ScottT said:

If that was a requirement, this... and every other forum... would be dead.

It is remarkable.  And deserves to be brought up repeatedly. The Angels are certainly failing at some things.

And it’s maddoning (see what I did there) that it’s never been fixed.