Joe Maddon's bullpen/pitching management

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

Worst troll effort ever. 

It's sad, but I think he's actually making an effort.  

[Lou]

Just now, Dochalo said:

It's sad, but I think he's actually making an effort.  

That's sad. 

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

That's sad. 

remember when he was just a racist and not a racist and a troll?  

[T.G.]

16 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

remember when he was just a racist and not a racist and a troll?  

I've just always thought of him as an a-hole.

[T.G.]

It's easy to see why the fat, old, former prom queen left you. 

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I've just always thought of him as an a-hole.

Complimenting him won't help.

[Lou]

Being called an Ahole is a compliment.

[T.G.]

Well, he's on ignore now. Should have done this ages ago.

[Jeff Fletcher]

Maddon brought in 6 relievers today. Five of them didn’t allow any runs. 

[Stradling]

13 minutes ago, cals said:

You guys remember when he brought in Mayers and stayed with him even after walking 2 guys and then he got out of it?  Showing confidence in your players is really important.  I’m glad he didn’t have a quick hook.

Like he had 4 innings earlier. 

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, cals said:

Cmon tough guys, make fun of Jeff Fletcher.  

And as I retire for the evening I believe this is appropriate:

Goodnight.

Possibly your best contribution to this place.  Well this and you wiener admiring dog pic.  

[Lou]

I actually didn't have much of a problem with pulling Quintana, i had a problem with who he brought in. 

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

I actually didn't have much of a problem with pulling Quintana, i had a problem with who he brought in. 

I guess I look at it like this.  We need length from our starters and we are at game 3 of 11 in 10 days.  Each out he requires the pen to get us an out that will be tougher to get tomorrow. 

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

We need length from our starters

Gross

[AngelsFaninGA]

5 hours ago, Taylor said:

Gross

Time to bring Kelvim back

[Jeff Fletcher]

I think you guys should try this...

Put little notes in your phone or something about when you think a pitcher should come out or not come out and who should come in. Do it right at the time it you think it. Then keep track of how often you were right or wrong. 

Then just ignore all the times you were right and only track how many times a game you’re wrong.

I think the problem with fans’ analysis of bullpen moves is it’s all done after you see the results. And you are NEVER going to give the manager credit when the reliever succeeds but you will ALWAYS blame him when the reliever fails. 

[Jay]

9 hours ago, Dochalo said:

remember when he was just a racist and not a racist and a troll?  

no

[Stradling]

Always?  No. I didn’t blame him when Watson gave up the two runs. 

[angelsnationtalk]

19 hours ago, Dochalo said:

Leadership and infrastructure is broken from the top down.   

Doesn't seem like the first time i've heard this.....

But I agree 100%

[angelsnationtalk]

10 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I think you guys should try this...

Put little notes in your phone or something about when you think a pitcher should come out or not come out and who should come in. Do it right at the time it you think it. Then keep track of how often you were right or wrong. 

Then just ignore all the times you were right and only track how many times a game you’re wrong.

I think the problem with fans’ analysis of bullpen moves is it’s all done after you see the results. And you are NEVER going to give the manager credit when the reliever succeeds but you will ALWAYS blame him when the reliever fails. 

At the end of the day we are looking for wins. Just how anyone is.

I'm guilty for this too by blaming more for failure. But even if the bullpen shuts it down I would still have scratched my head as to why Quintana got the early hook. 

74 pitches through 4.1 innings isn't being overworked. Dude was looking for his first win while facing the top of the lineup that he fooled all game. 

To me, that approach had Brad Ausmus (terrified to face to order a third time) written all over it. 

Let Quintana finish the 5th to earn the win. Our starting rotation needs those chances. 

[Inside Pitch]

19 hours ago, Dochalo said:

at some point you have to acknowledge that the process is broken and look at who is creating the process.  

He wants it -- but he gets in the way of getting it.  And as I've said many times, he can't see the forest for the trees.

[Blarg]

8 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Maddon brought in 6 relievers today. Five of them didn’t allow any runs. 

Had he let Quintana continue he would have used fewer. There is no upside to your argument. Maddon over reacted and the Red Sox pounced on the opportunity. 

[WicketMaiden]

14 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Had he let Quintana continue he would have used fewer. There is no upside to your argument. Maddon over reacted and the Red Sox pounced on the opportunity. 

Similar to his pull of Ohtani at 88 pitches on his last start. Maddon has form for this sort of thing. Bad form.

[Inside Pitch]

Jeff makes a great point about keeping track of what you think were the bad decisions and the good ones and tracking how they panned out -- but whatever you do don't look up Baseball Savant's data as you do this unless you want a self induced migraine.

[Blarg]

The problem with Jeff's tracking game is you never get to find out which direction, yours or Maddon's, nets the better result because there is no second universe to see what the other outcome is.