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Albert Pujols released...


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17 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

I guess he won't be greeting fans as part of his personal service duties after this year. I was looking forward to meeting him.

Too bad he's leaving on a sour note. The front office and owner should have handled this properly a long time ago. But of course we don't know if they tried a buyout or something similar, to provide a gracious exit. DFA kinda stings for a player of his caliber. I mean, he's the second best 1st baseman after that guy named Gehrig, and he's being told the equivalent of "get the hell out of here." Bad mojo all around, but still a sense of relief as a heavy weight is removed.

Sour note?

Try sour last four albums.

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13 minutes ago, REDneck said:

He is one of the ten best baseball players to ever play this game...a game we all love and probably played growing up.

No he's not, by pretty much any measure. During his Cardinals career it looked like he was going to ensconce himself with Gehrig and Foxx as one of the three greatest first basemen ever, and he has ended up fourth all-time in WAR among 1B, but he's far closer to the pack than to those two.

Check it out here. (We can ignore Musial, who played more in the OF than at 1B). Or to put it another way:

1. Gehrig 116.3

2. Foxx 101.8

3. Anson 91.2

4. Pujols 87.0

5. Connor 86.2

6. Bagwell 80.2

Etc.

For wRC+ he's further back in the pack: #20 with 142, and behind guys like Thomas (154), Bagwell (149), Votto (149), Thome (145), and Miggy (144), and tied with Killebrew.

And of course among all position players, he's #28 in WAR and #57 in wRC+ -- both still really good, but there are dozens of greater players.

The only way to call him one of the ten best ever is to ignore his Angels career, and even then he wouldn't have the longevity and would be almost tied with Bagwell in terms of WAR, barely in the top 40. Unfortunately for Pujols, the whole career counts and his second half was just bad and tarnishes his overall greatness.

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1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

No he's not, by pretty much any measure. During his Cardinals career it looked like he was going to ensconce himself with Gehrig and Foxx as one of the three greatest first basemen ever, and he has ended up fourth all-time in WAR among 1B, but he's far closer to the pack than to those two.

Check it out here. (We can ignore Musial, who played more in the OF than at 1B). Or to put it another way:

1. Gehrig 116.3

2. Foxx 101.8

3. Anson 91.2

4. Pujols 87.0

5. Connor 86.2

6. Bagwell 80.2

Etc.

For wRC+ he's further back in the pack: #20 with 142, and behind guys like Thomas (154), Bagwell (149), Votto (149), Thome (145), and Miggy (144), and tied with Killebrew.

And of course among all position players, he's #28 in WAR and #57 in wRC+ -- both still really good, but there are dozens of greater players.

The only way to call him one of the ten best ever is to ignore his Angels career, and even then he wouldn't have the longevity and would be almost tied with Bagwell in terms of WAR, barely in the top 40. Unfortunately for Pujols, the whole career counts and his second half was just bad and tarnishes his overall greatness.

Thanks fir this. My same reaction.  People always overrate the current players historically.

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