Congrats Dems!

[Rico]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

Eh?  A Libertarian would definitely not want laws restricting abortion 

Most of the conservatives on this board seem to lean Libertarian, but also hold a pro-life stance. So maybe they aren't really Libertarian?  Or maybe it's just cool to say you are?

[Taylor]

There aren't any real Republicans here, just libertarians and shy Trump voters.

[Blarg]

I don't have a pro life stance. I believe if Democrats want to prevent themselves from multiplying, it's a good thing. 

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

I don't have a pro life stance. I believe if Democrats want to prevent themselves from multiplying, it's a good thing. 

Planned Parenthood is suppressing the future black vote 

[Adam]

22 minutes ago, Rico said:

Most of the conservatives on this board seem to lean Libertarian, but also hold a pro-life stance. So maybe they aren't really Libertarian?  Or maybe it's just cool to say you are?

Having gone down the libertarian internet rabbit hole for the past 5 years I think most libertarians hate the Libertarian Party. Also if you considered all the small "l" libertarians and LP folks it's going to be about 50/50 on the abortion issue.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Abortion is the rights of a woman being elevated above the rights of a child in a situation where one must be elevated above the other. It’s not a libertarian issue.

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Abortion is the rights of a woman being elevated above the rights of a child in a situation where one must be elevated above the other. It’s not a libertarian issue.

You means decides it is elevated above the other, not must be. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

5 minutes ago, Lou said:

You means decides it is elevated above the other, not must be. 

If a woman desires an abortion and a fetus doesn’t, one of them has to get their way and the other can’t.

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

If a woman desires an abortion and a fetus doesn’t, one of them has to get their way and the other can’t.

So if someone can't voice their opinion on whether they should be killed someone else should hold that power?

[Don]

1 hour ago, Adam said:

Having gone down the libertarian internet rabbit hole for the past 5 years I think most libertarians hate the Libertarian Party. Also if you considered all the small "l" libertarians and LP folks it's going to be about 50/50 on the abortion issue.

This is way oversimplifying it, but I’ve always felt like there are two schools of Libertarians. One school is basically anarchists that don’t want to be like that one punk kid in high school. The other is really just a bunch of Republicans that think the Libertarian party is the best option for keeping the government’s hands off their money/business. I respect the first school slightly more, but not really.

[Don]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

So if someone can't voice their opinion on whether they should be killed someone else should hold that power?

Nietzsche says hi.

[Adam]

24 minutes ago, Don said:

This is way oversimplifying it, but I’ve always felt like there are two schools of Libertarians. One school is basically anarchists that don’t want to be like that one punk kid in high school. The other is really just a bunch of Republicans that think the Libertarian party is the best option for keeping the government’s hands off their money/business. I respect the first school slightly more, but not really.

This is pretty accurate. You gotta mix in the left libertarians though - the Nohm Chomsky types. Literally, in the LP there's anarchist caucuses, paleo-conservative caucuses, socialist caucuses, etc. It's so stupid. The LP is a total shitshow and a waste of the largest 3rd party

Edited November 10, 2020 by Adam

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

So if someone can't voice their opinion on whether they should be killed someone else should hold that power?

No, that’s a separate issue. I’m only saying that abortion is an issue where there is only a win/lose outcome. The state is forced to decide the circumstances of when one side wins/loses or else the decision is left to whoever holds physical power in the situation (the woman).

[Lou]

How is letting a child live a lose situation?

Win/inconvenient would be more accurate.

[HaloSpurs]

On 11/7/2020 at 10:01 PM, AngelsLakersFan said:

Like was said in the other thread... this isn't a victory for Dems... it's a victory for America.

For the world*

[Rico]

I just wish more pro-lifers were willing to adopt, and not just "we're thinking about it someday."  There are currently over 400k children in the foster care system in the U.S.

[Tank]

On 11/9/2020 at 11:05 AM, Adam said:

She does. I confirmed with Tank who had dinner with her last week. 

yeah. what a disaster.

i'll stick to lunch with athletes from here on out.

[Tank]

i like certain planks of the libertarian party but they lose me on open borders and legalizing all drugs.

i feel like i'm still a reagan republican. not real fond of where my party is right now.

not interested in the democratic party. too many extreme elements and platforms i don't support.

not really sure who represents my POV these days.

[Taylor]

9 minutes ago, Rico said:

I just wish more pro-lifers were willing to adopt, and not just "we're thinking about it someday."  There are currently over 400k children in the foster care system in the U.S.

I tend to agree with this, especially in Christian circles.

[Blarg]

37 minutes ago, Lou said:

So if someone can't voice their opinion on whether they should be killed someone else should hold that power?

That's been pretty much the mob's stance to guys bound and gagged in the trunk. 

[Adam]

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

I tend to agree with this, especially in Christian circles.

Me too. And, knowing several families who have adopted, the process really should be much easier. 

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, Adam said:

Me too. And, knowing several families who have adopted, the process really should be much easier. 

Indeed.

[Lou]

10 minutes ago, Taylor said:

I tend to agree with this, especially in Christian circles.

My best friend in high school, my best friend in college and one if my best friends post-college are all adopted. 

All Christians. 

But this isn't about adopting. That's an entirely different topic. 

[Lou]

10 minutes ago, Adam said:

Me too. And, knowing several families who have adopted, the process really should be much easier. 

Exactly.

I know 2 couples who are currently trying to adopt. The process is ridiculous.

Btw, both are Christians.

[Taylor]

58 minutes ago, Lou said:

My best friend in high school, my best friend in college and one if my best friends post-college are all adopted. 

All Christians. 

But this isn't about adopting. That's an entirely different topic. 

True, but Rico made the point that if more pro-lifers adopted, they would be consistent with their pro-life stance.