Unfortunately Gerrit Cole's having a great year

[Dick B Back]

12 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Verlander is going to win the Cy Young. 

But the substance of your post is fair. 

I agree. The only number Cole has better is Ks.

[Inside Pitch]

Ok -- that makes sense.

[TheUPSman]

10 hours ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I honestly think he falls between $25M-$30M/yr. Everyone will be bidding for him. Angels are going up against the Dodgers and Yankees who have money they’d love to splurge with. 
it would be awesome to see him take a hometown discount for $20M-$25M/yr but I doubt that happens.

Keep in mind his agent is Boras.

Unfortunately Boras and hometown discount has never and probably will never be used in the same sentence. The dude will never let that happen, but it sure would be nice. Looks like we may be the deciding factor in this cy young race as we get both Verlander and Cole 1 more time. 

[T.G.]

17 minutes ago, TheUPSman said:

Unfortunately Boras and hometown discount has never and probably will never be used in the same sentence. The dude will never let that happen, but it sure would be nice. Looks like we may be the deciding factor in this cy young race as we get both Verlander and Cole 1 more time. 

Jered Weaver disagrees.

[Docwaukee]

58 minutes ago, TheUPSman said:

Unfortunately Boras and hometown discount has never and probably will never be used in the same sentence. The dude will never let that happen, but it sure would be nice. Looks like we may be the deciding factor in this cy young race as we get both Verlander and Cole 1 more time. 

if the Angels approach Cole in the hopes of getting a hometown discount, they've lost before it's started and I don't think they'll do that.  They'll be one of the top bidders as they'll need to in order to get him.  

people keep using the Scherzer contract as a comp but it's important to understand that at the time, the present value of the contract was 170 mil due to all of the deferred money.  

Here is an article detailing that:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/max-scherzer-and-when-210-million-isnt-210-million/

and since that time, the market has undoubtedly changed.  

Cole is actually a year younger than Scherzer was when he hit free agency so that has to be taken into consideration.  

taking both of those things into account (Cole's age and the market change), I think 7/175 or so is a pretty good starting point.  I could see the Halos also opting for some deferred money so on the surface we could see a very similar number to what Scherzer got.  

[Docwaukee]

26 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

Serious question would you give up Adell for Buehler ? I say yes 

For sure.  Everyday and twice on Sunday.  The Dogs nor any other team would ever do that.  Legitimately, it would cost our top 4 and I'm not sure that would even do it.  

[34red4]

He’s going to top David Price’s contract.

7 years, $220 million.

[TroutAdell]

The problem with signing Cole is Boras’ tendency to stretch out the process. It is hard to wait that long when the team needs multiple arms. 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, TroutAdell said:

The problem with signing Cole is Boras’ tendency to stretch out the process. It is hard to wait that long when the team needs multiple arms. 

I seriously expect Eppler to get two starters early on so they have leverage. I could see him signing Odorizzi and then making a trade for a starter and saying "we're comfortable with what we have". 

I mean, everyone knows we are desperate for pitching, especially Boras. He'll play Eppler like a fiddle if he goes hard after Cole.

[yk9001]

 

[tomsred]

On 9/23/2019 at 7:35 PM, tdawg87 said:

How could I forget about Cowart? And to think I was willing to part with Walsh lol

What's wrong with you, you want to give up Cowart who is hitting .375 with a 1.000 OPS?  You crazy?

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

4 hours ago, yk9001 said:

 

Just incredible, what ever it takes Eppler, what ever it takes Arte, what ever it takes. You already spent $430M on Trout, now you need to make it worth it. What ever it takes, that was some nasty stuff there.

[Angel Oracle]

Mr. Upton and Cole have a collective 14.5 WAR.

iirc, the previous time that two pitchers on the same team put up at least that collective WAR was 2001-2002, when the Big Unit and Bloody Sock put up collectively over an 18 WAR in each of those two seasons.    

Cole has been beyond sick as a disease since May 27.

141.2 innings, 15-0 record, 1.80 ERA, 0.80 WHIP, 216/29 Ks/BBs

At home (extreme hitters park) over 81.2 innings in that same time, he's even better.

81.2 innings, 10-0 record, 1.90 ERA, 0.70 WHIP, 130/12 Ks/BBs, and only 8 HRs allowed 

[Bubby]

One factor I haven't seen mentioned is with Ohtani, the Angels seem set on a six man rotation with everyone pitching once a week. Is Cole, or any other top flight pitcher for that matter, gonna agree to that schedule?

[Mark68]

Cole & Strasburg would be a really, really offseason.

[Angelsjunky]

6 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

Cole & Strasburg would be a really, really offseason.

Sweet! Its working.

But yeah, I agree. Won't happen, though.

Best-case scenario is Cole and one of Wheeler/Odorizzi. 

[Stradling]

30 minutes ago, Bubby said:

One factor I haven't seen mentioned is with Ohtani, the Angels seem set on a six man rotation with everyone pitching once a week. Is Cole, or any other top flight pitcher for that matter, gonna agree to that schedule?

You are only half right.   Shohei would pitch once a week but the other guys would usually go on normal rest.  Not a 6 man rotation but a 5 man rotation where a 6th guy will start during weeks without a day off and such.  

[Troll Daddy]

7 minutes ago, Baghdad Strad said:

You are only half right.   Shohei would pitch once a week but the other guys would usually go on normal rest.  Not a 6 man rotation but a 5 man rotation where a 6th guy will start during weeks without a day off and such.  

Agreed ... now what about the playoffs 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Troll Daddy said:

Agreed ... now what about the playoffs 

Here you go:

 

[Troll Daddy]

8 minutes ago, Baghdad Strad said:

Here you go:

I figured you wouldn’t have a answer  

[Stradling]

Just now, Troll Daddy said:

10 minutes ago, Baghdad Strad said:

Here you go:

I figured you wouldn’t have a answer  

You asked a question unrelated to anything I posted or the person I quoted posted.  Go troll somewhere else.  

[Lou]

52 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

Cole & Strasburg would be a really, really offseason.

[tdawg87]

Arte pls

[Claude]

Cole is having an awesome contract year. 

 

 

buyer beware

[Mark68]

On 9/25/2019 at 8:23 AM, yk9001 said:

 

I saw an awful lot of 99s & 98s (and great location) on the pitches that didn't have movement.