LA homelessness numbers increasing

[Tank]

https://kfiam640.iheart.com/content/2019-06-04-new-homeless-report-shows-a-12-jump-in-la-county-homelessness/?fbclid=IwAR037oMVFjKh_Ma4GhTNMzeDKBJWzyNJ54j4kAJRyWXmn3V7xqojDhBv6JY

[Lou]

When will the libs take care of this problem? 

[gotbeer]

Anybody that works, lives, travels to, or heard of Lol Angeles will tell you those numbers are too low.

 

On the bright side.  Medieval diseases are going up, along with bandage fixes.

[fan_since79]

I guess we need another tax to take care of the problem.

Voters say "Sure!', take more of our money for zero results. It's maddening.

[Brandon]

It's really not maddening because it's not what has happened.

[Tank]

4 hours ago, Lou said:

When will the libs take care of this problem? 

on the second tuesday after eternity.

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, Brandon said:

It's really not maddening because it's not what has happened.

It's exactly what happened 

https://ecobear.co/homeless-encampment-cleaning/los-angeles-tax-homeless/

[Brandon]

Nice Eco Bear drop

[Brandon]

4 minutes ago, the dude abides said:

Ecobear is the new “Hindustan Times”.

Talk about a blast from the past

[Lou]

56 minutes ago, Brandon said:

It's really not maddening because it's not what has happened.

It's exactly what happened 

https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/news/17-14.htm

[Brandon]

Damn son, I think I can update my disability at the same time as seeing the Compton tax rate staying the same.

[wopphil]

5 hours ago, Lou said:

When will the libs take care of this problem? 

Why would they take care of the problem? Keeping people down and dependent on the government keeps them getting the votes they need to get elected and reelected. 

[gotbeer]

11 minutes ago, Lou said:

It's exactly what happened 

https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/news/17-14.htm

Now this sudden tax increase that was in the news in Arcadia makes sense.  They are going to raise their taxes to hit the cap.  Sounded foolish.  But it's an end around to keep the money in the city instead of to fund homeless crap in a city that doesn't have a homeless problem.  I am going to guess that a few other cities are going to follow suit.  

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Lou said:

It's exactly what happened 

https://ecobear.co/homeless-encampment-cleaning/los-angeles-tax-homeless/

The Los Angeles County Homeless Initiative is an action plan comprised of about four dozen interlocking strategies to combat homeless in the county. The action plan focuses on six key areas:

Homelessness prevention

Subsidized housing

Increased income

Case management and services

Coordinates system

Affordable housing

When it comes to implementing strategies for the expenditure of sales tax dollars to assist the homeless, the Los Angeles County Homeless Initiative is the blueprint that is being followed. The six key elements of the action plan, together with the interlocking strategies, were approved by the Board of Supervisors in 2016.

[Lou]

It sure seems to be working 

[Amazing Larry]

Open up the looney bins and start arresting bums who break the law. The people living on skid row aren’t women and children, they’re criminals, nutballs and drug addicts. 

[mp170.6]

Don't worry, the lobbyists and politicians will be up all night strategizing on ways to cram more apartments into your neighborhood, all in the name of "solving" the homeless crisis.  These "affordable" housing units can be yours for $2200/month.

 

[Taylor]

What's the solution to homelessness?

[mp170.6]

3 minutes ago, Taylor said:

What's the solution to homelessness?

There isn't one

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Start by cutting back on the money sent to other countries, spent on non-citizens, etc. and direct those funds towards citizens.  For a long term solution cities need transitional shelters and housing.  There are groups and foundations that provide that type of service but it requires work and there's specific guidelines that have to be followed.  I know someone who runs such a foundation and when cities were clearing the river trail they only cared about getting people out.  They gave out hotel vouchers which eventually ran out so all the cities did was kick the can down the road.  The cities wanted to use the foundations housing but wanted to oversee it while the foundation knows cities fail at this.  These type of services require people to stay clean, work on getting jobs and so on so there's people who regularly work with them and check in on them. 

Obviously it doesn't work out for everyone because some don't stay clean, stay out of trouble and so on but for the ones it does help it's setting them on a path to a better life.  Just giving people anything as in shelters with no strings attached will get abused which is human nature.  They also need to dedicate more resources to mental illness but obviously you can't just force someone into an institution unless they pose a threat to themselves, a threat to others or break the law and are found to be mentally unstable.  No simple or cheap solution in either case but obviously we need to be doing more.

[mp170.6]

There was a recent survey where LA homeless were asked if they would abide by rules to NOT use alcohol or drugs while staying at the shelters. 

Something like 60% or 70% said they wouldn't respect the rules.  These people can't be helped.  Their attitude sucks.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

38 minutes ago, mp170.6 said:

There was a recent survey where LA homeless were asked if they would abide by rules to NOT use alcohol or drugs while staying at the shelters. 

Something like 60% or 70% said they wouldn't respect the rules.  These people can't be helped.  Their attitude sucks.

Regarding the transitional housing there's situations where the father or mother uses drugs and that person has to leave.  I've yet to hear a story about the rest of the family staying instead they all end up leaving and end up back on the streets.  No one is a fan of breaking up a family but if you can't follow the rules then you have no one to blame but yourself.  You'd think a place to stay, a helping hand up and a better life for your family would be enough but for some it isn't.  

[AngelsLakersFan]

7 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

obviously you can't just force someone into an institution unless they pose a threat to themselves, a threat to others or break the law and are found to be mentally unstable.  

Only the last one is true, at least in California.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

3 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Only the last one is true, at least in California.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-francisco-forced-treatment-drug-abusers-20190604-story.html

"San Francisco’s program would allow a court to appoint a public conservator for someone who has been involuntarily detained for psychiatric hospitalization at least eight times in a year. The treatment could last for as long as a year."

Initially it applies to a small group but that number could grow.  Technically maybe some or all have broken the law but it's an attempt to get people who have serious mental issues off the streets and the help they need.  At least it's a start but if there's ever a judge to declare it unconstitutional or shoot it down he or she is in San Francisco. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Regarding the transitional housing there's situations where the father or mother uses drugs and that person has to leave.  I've yet to hear a story about the rest of the family staying instead they all end up leaving and end up back on the streets.  No one is a fan of breaking up a family but if you can't follow the rules then you have no one to blame but yourself.  You'd think a place to stay, a helping hand up and a better life for your family would be enough but for some it isn't.  

For the majority of people living on the streets it's a choice. The reason there are more people living on the streets now is because more people are making that choice. Affordable housing is certainly an issue for short term homelessness and a growing number of people living in their cars, but the increasing number of people passed out on sidewalks or setting up shop under an overpass is unrelated. I would wager that the most significant factor is the opioid crisis and our great weather, which makes living outside possible year around... among other things of course.