What's with the drop in velocity?

[Docwaukee]

Every pitcher on this team is throwing at a velo well below where we've seen them in recent past.  Is this just post spring dead arm?   Am I wrong?  

[bloodbrother]

You're right and it's bizarre. Skaggs was hitting 89 MPH a lot....Pena was sitting 88-90 MPH. Hopefully it's nothing

[Lhalo]

Maybe they brought the speed guns back to reality?

[Inside Pitch]

10 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Every pitcher on this team is throwing at a velo well below where we've seen them in recent past.  Is this just post spring dead arm?   Am I wrong?  

They didnt pitch a lot of innings this spring -- it's likely dead-arms, yeah.  Look at how badly the Red Sox SP came out of ST -- they threw even less than our guys after pitching deep into the postseason.

[hangin n wangin]

Dehydration. 

[Docwaukee]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

They didnt pitch a lot of innings this spring -- it's likely dead-arms, yeah.  Look at how badly the Red Sox SP came out of ST -- they threw even less than our guys after pitching deep into the postseason.

Anderson is topping out at 94

Allen is barely at 90

Harvery is a 95 and was 97 last year

Skagg

Pena

Every single pitcher has dead arm?  This is a little odd.  

[nate]

juiced gun in Tempe

[angelsnationtalk]

One thing for sure is Buttrey was throwing gas 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Its two fold.

Our pitchers are scared of tommy john. The other guys know theyre facing our hitters.

[ten ocho recon scout]

11 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

One thing for sure is Buttrey was throwing gas 

Butt gas?

[krAbs]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

Anderson is topping out at 94

Allen is barely at 90

Harvery is a 95 and was 97 last year

Skagg

Pena

Every single pitcher has dead arm?  This is a little odd.  

Was he? According to fangraphs his FB velo is the same this year as last year - technically .1 higher on average.

Not that that is a good thing. We want his velocity to bounce back a little to vintage harvey numbers.

[Billy_Ball]

Maybe Eppler and White told them to not throw as hard so they won't get ligament damage in their elbows and get dehydrated.

[Inside Pitch]

8 hours ago, Dochalo said:

Anderson is topping out at 94

Allen is barely at 90

Harvery is a 95 and was 97 last year

Skagg

Pena

Every single pitcher has dead arm?  This is a little odd.  

Cahill was said to have been throwing harder in ST -- so if it's not dead arm stuff or bad gun readings not sure what to make of it.   To be honest I hadn't been paying attention to FB velocity, now that you have brought it up it's something I too will watch.

[Second Base]

Maybe Doug White is emphasizing less effort, more spin and control?

[Chuck]

39 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Maybe Doug White is emphasizing less effort, more spin and control?

That's what I was thinking. 

[Vlad27Trout27]

wasn't it reported that Cahill was hitting up to 95 in spring? 

[Vlad27Trout27]

56 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Maybe Doug White is emphasizing less effort, more spin and control?

The opposite of Houston....But i doubt it, wasn't the main focus in spring, to try to figure out a way to increase velocity and spin rate? maybe just spin rate. 

[T.G.]

Pick one:

1. Marine Layer (it follows the team wherever they go)

2. Dehydration

3.Chronic Changes

[floplag]

I dont know what it is, but its ugly.  First time thru the rotation our starters era is 5.84, 25th in baseball. 
Stangely enough bot the Cubs and Red Soz are behind us with the chowds being dead last at over 11. 
I dont think our guys are that bad and it should get better but that first go round was brutal. 
For this team to have a chance to win with our current offense that needs to get cut in like, half.  

[GrittyVeterans]

Anderson not throwing hard is terrifying. He doesn’t have the command to get away with not throwing 98

[Jeff Fletcher]

One thing to consider it's the first week of the season, and these guys didn't throw all that much in spring training. I think across the board they all threw a little less than normal, either because of injury setbacks or because the team wanted to go slow with them. Given that, for the guys who were in the majors on opening day last year, I looked up their April 18 velocity and compared it to this year. 

Bedrosian, 93.68 in 18, 93.58 in 19 (same)

Skaggs 92.32, 90.87 (down, he was hurt in the spring)

Robles 95.04, 96.27 (up)

Harvey 93.12. 94.70 (up)

Allen 94.52, 91.45 (way down, and this has been chronicled as an issue)

Garcia 97.15, 96.48 (same)

Cahill 92.83, 91.53 (same-ish)

Bard 92.60, 94.93 (way up, this is one of the reasons he's on the team)

Stratton 91.8, 90.5 (same-ish)

N.Ramirez 90.06, 90.85 (same)

We don't know what Anderson, Buttrey or Pena were throwing last April because they were in the minors.

 

[Angel Oracle]

At least Allen is just a one year rental.    Hope that Buttrey is ready to close by July.

[Lou]

at this rate, Allen will finish the season with an era of 0.00 and a whip of 1.000

[GrittyVeterans]

2 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

One thing to consider it's the first week of the season, and these guys didn't throw all that much in spring training. I think across the board they all threw a little less than normal, either because of injury setbacks or because the team wanted to go slow with them. Given that, for the guys who were in the majors on opening day last year, I looked up their April 18 velocity and compared it to this year. 

Bedrosian, 93.68 in 18, 93.58 in 19 (same)

Skaggs 92.32, 90.87 (down, he was hurt in the spring)

Robles 95.04, 96.27 (up)

Harvey 93.12. 94.70 (up)

Allen 94.52, 91.45 (way down, and this has been chronicled as an issue)

Garcia 97.15, 96.48 (same)

Cahill 92.83, 91.53 (same-ish)

Bard 92.60, 94.93 (way up, this is one of the reasons he's on the team)

Stratton 91.8, 90.5 (same-ish)

N.Ramirez 90.06, 90.85 (same)

We don't know what Anderson, Buttrey or Pena were throwing last April because they were in the minors.

 

Interesting. Where did you access velocity at a specific point in a season? I know how to find it for the whole year on fan graphs..do they have a filter I'm missing?

[Jeff Fletcher]

52 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Interesting. Where did you access velocity at a specific point in a season? I know how to find it for the whole year on fan graphs..do they have a filter I'm missing?

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/

Poke around there.

You can also do all sorts of cool things with this...

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/