LA Times: What a coincidence: With pitching moves, Angels save on bonuses

[Dollar Bill]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-angels-chavez-norris-20170919-story.html

[Chuck]

Angels claim "coincidence" on pitching staff manipulation that stopped them from owing Bud Norris's $750,000 bonus https://t.co/zJCP7MzQ4v pic.twitter.com/MAsreJL0QI

— Deadspin (@Deadspin) September 20, 2017

[Angel Oracle]

First half BudLite deserved the bonus.   Second half BudLite deserves squat.

[eligrba]

Yes. The reason neither pitcher is getting a bonus is due to a conspiracy. Is it a coincidence the article does not describe their performances in much detail?

[Adam]

I bet you that if they sucked less they'd have gotten paid. 

[Blarg]

They certainly are not Sherzer and Chapman on the mound.

[gurn67]

25 minutes ago, eligrba said:

Yes. The reason neither pitcher is getting a bonus is due to a conspiracy. Is it a coincidence the article does not describe their performances in much detail?

Really? The L.A. Times being misleading? Never!

[yk9001]

Yet he pitched last night and shitted up the joint.

 

#notmyproblem

[red321]

I'm thinking if Bud didn't do his best to break the record for giving up the most walkoff grandslams in a week he probably would have gotten his bonus

[eligrba4ever]

Probably smart of Eppler to avoid those bonus payments under the circumstances.

Neither Bud nor Chavez will probably be asked to return in 2018. Both contracts are expiring, as is Street's (team $10M 2018 option; $1M buyout).

Ramirez also goes into an offseason with an expiring contract -- and an arm injury. Maybe Eppler might still see some benefit in keeping him at age 29. 

Going to be a lot of changes in the pitching staff. Potential spots for people moving up or moving on.

 

[Angel Oracle]

Pitchers to keep:  GRich, Heaney, Bridwell, Skaggs, JC Ramirez, Tropeano (starting 2018 at AAA?), Shoe (converting to relief?), Meyer (converting to relief?), Parker, Petit, Bedrosian, Middleton, Noe Ramirez, and Paredes (starting 2018 at AAA?) 

Maybes: Alvarez and Wood

Buh Byes: Everyone else who doesn't have any options left

Need a RELIABLE lefty in the pen, and Alvarez is BORDERLINE (more not horrible). 

[nando714]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

First half BudLite deserved the bonus.   Second half BudLite deserves squat.

He deserves a case of colt45

[NorCal Halo]

Maybe they were told they weren't getting their bonuses, then they sucked.  Reminds me of Eddie Cicotte.

[JAHV76]

30 minutes ago, nando714 said:

He deserves a case of colt45

More like Schlitz 

[IEAngelsfan]

I didn't know Vladdy wrote for the LA Times.

[arch stanton]

Do those 2 deserve a bonus? If they had done half a decent job in those roles they would still be in them

[2112]

I guess slant is something the Times is known for.  Too bad it made the sports page.  

[disarcina]

after last night's arson show (not exactly a fireman), Bud Norris may not get the few more relief appearances he needs for the bonus.

another one on the 'bonus' bubble is Nolasco -- may already be too late for him now with where his start stats are  -- but if he made a certain number of starts with a specified number of IP over a two year period (something like that) he got an additional bonus and perhaps a club option turned into a player 'his' option. Not sure.

His start/ IP projections were running short of the magic numbers about a month ago and I assume he's fallen so off the pace now, he can't catch up.

Hey, if I were the Halos F/A and could save some bonus money on players who are probably F/A and gone from the Halos at the end of the year -- I'd pitch the AA and AAA call up guys instead of the bonus guys.

[disarcina]

Halos F/O as in front office.....typo city here.

[m0nkey]

Them sucking and not being "deserving" isn't the point of the story

[arch stanton]

7 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Them sucking and not being "deserving" isn't the point of the story

But not sucking is the point of the bonus. Technical term is "incentive bonus"

[Blarg]

You arguing with the participation trophy generation.

[m0nkey]

21 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You arguing with the participation trophy generation.

I didn't say they should get it or their performance made them deserving 

[m0nkey]

43 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

But not sucking is the point of the bonus. Technical term is "incentive bonus"

And the technical bonus is relief appearances for Norris and games started for Chavez. Sure if they didn't suck in their roles they would've gotten it originally, but I think the point of the article (at least the deadspin one) was that they easily could've started Chavez and brought in Norris later. 

In the end, it doesn't matter, it saves the angels $750,000, and it has no impact on my life on way or another

[arch stanton]

Just now, m0nkey said:

And the technical bonus is relief appearances for Norris and games started for Chavez. Sure if they didn't suck in their roles they would've gotten it originally, but I think the point of the article (at least the deadspin one) was that they easily could've started Chavez and brought in Norris later. 

In the end, it doesn't matter, it saves the angels $750,000, and it has no impact on my life on way or another

And my point is that if they were performing they would have given them the bonuses. When you sign an incentive based contract you take your chances