Fun fact about US military spending

[juansavage1]

So, if BUSH would have just insisted on a fair constitution, ISIS wouldn't have appeared. But, since Bush didn't insist on a "fair constitution," screw them. The left never ever fails to follow my script.

 

The failure of Iraq, like the failure of Vietnam and the success of the Cuban revolution delights the left to no end. That's why conversation on the topic is impossible- we have different goals.

[arch stanton]

Conversation is impossible because it's not your agenda to have one. Nobody said screw them except you. By the way, which of these wars did you fight in?

[HaloMagic]

What would you even know about any of this arch? It's it's not like you have any first-hand knowledge.

[mtangelsfan]

I do not agree with that juan guy at all but I also don't think a person's opinion on the military is negated simply because he hasn't been a part of it.

 

 

[arch stanton]

It does when your opinion is that we should fight, fight, fight.

[mtangelsfan]

No, it really doesn't.  That isn't how logic works.  An idea or opinion stands or falls on the logic of said opinion.

[RallyMo]

So, if BUSH would have just insisted on a fair constitution, ISIS wouldn't have appeared. But, since Bush didn't insist on a "fair constitution," screw them. The left never ever fails to follow my script.

The failure of Iraq, like the failure of Vietnam and the success of the Cuban revolution delights the left to no end. That's why conversation on the topic is impossible- we have different goals.

You're full of crap.

I'm a lefty and I'd much rather that the Iraq situation have played out to a happy ending.

[arch stanton]

No, it really doesn't.  That isn't how logic works.  An idea or opinion stands or falls on the logic of said opinion.

It's perfectly logical to me that those who want to fight wars be willing to join them.

[Glen]

Or at least have an iron in the fire, such as a close relative that will be part of the carnage. If you won't send your own you shouldn't be able to send someone else.

I know, it's unrealistic.

[Adam]

They don't send their own because they don't have to, but I wouldn't underestimate their willingness to do so. 

[arch stanton]

Who's they?

[nate]

The blacks

[Adam]

The blacks

 

The war initiators 

[nate]

Forgive me.  I thought I was still in the Snoop Dogg thread

[arch stanton]

The war initiators 

I don't believe that for a minute

[TobiasFunke]

I was wondering why this thread jumped a few pages so quickly. This Juan Savage guy rules.

 

Keep fighting the good fight brother

[Adam]

I don't believe that for a minute

 

You don't think money and power is as or more important to corporations and their puppets than their kin are? 

[arch stanton]

You don't think money and power is as or more important to corporations and their puppets than their kin are? 

I think we've been at war for 14 years so they've had plenty of time to join the fight.

[Adam]

I think we've been at war for 14 years so they've had plenty of time to join the fight.

 

Well yeah they're not going to do it. I was responding to Glen's point that he wishes it were a requirement. I'm saying if it were a requirement (in fantasy land) they'd still do it. It wouldn't stop BS wars. 

[wopphil]

And an extra chromosome, apparently.

Of course you think that way, you don't agree with him.

[mtangelsfan]

The draft will never work.  First, the rich folk will still be able to get their kids out of it more than not, which leaves the poor and middle class screwed again.

 

Second, then you end up with those who are totally opposed to the war being forced to fight in it.  How is that fair?

[TobiasFunke]

Never say never MT

[Tank]

i like juan savage. it's fun watching the libs rally the troops against him. 

[RallyMo]

i like juan savage. it's fun watching the libs rally the troops against him.

It's so hard to resist responding seriously when it's clear that he's engaged in some epic trolling.

I couldn't.

[juansavage1]

It depends on the situation. When it's a clash of civilizations or ideologies, I want mine to prevail. That's why I think it was important to confront the two evil ideologies of the twentieth century- totalitarian communism and expansionist fascism.

 

When it's between two groups, localized, I'd like the US to do what it can to bring peace, within reason and applying prudence and wisdom.

 

Obviously, I'm speaking in generalities. I think most people who went to college at a certain time remember the pro-Soviet/anti-American vibe during that time and still now, especially people who read and follow Marxist perspectives like Zinn and Chomsky. You may also remember the bookstores filled with Castro's speeches and the Che t-shirts.

 

If you're different, I believe you.

 

I go by my experience, especially in having known a lot of friends on the left and having been left for a few years in college.

Edited May 26, 2015 by Juan Savage