ISIS delenda est

[nate]

Again, this just gives the hypocrisy of Americans and these wars.

What about the Mexican cartels?  What about Africa and Asia where hundreds of thousands have died from murderous regimes?

[fan_since79]

29 minutes ago, nate said:

Again, this just gives the hypocrisy of Americans and these wars.

What about the Mexican cartels?  What about Africa and Asia where hundreds of thousands have died from murderous regimes?

Totally agree. We haven't done a thing about Boko Haram in Nigeria, and they're as bad or even worse than ISIS. And we didn't lift a finger to help stop the Rwandan genocide in the 1990's.

The world is full of evil people and regimes. The difference in the Middle East is they have a lot of cheap oil, which we're addicted to. It would be nice if we were permitted by our government to tap into our own vast resources, but that's the topic for another discussion.

[nate]

Absolutely.  In fact, we have enabled all of it in the Middle East with our regime changes and military excursions.  The US is just as responsible for creating ISIS, the Taliban, Al Queda, etc as anyone else is.

[fan_since79]

One thing that distinguishes Trump from the others (except maybe Bernie) is he has sworn to get out of the nation-building and regime-change business. That's almost reason enough for me to vote for him, regardless of the rest of his baggage. Of course, there's also his pledge to kick ISIS' ass, so I worry about what kind of commitment that might take. 

[gotbeer]

ISIS reportedly uses hundreds of families as human shields to protect Fallujah

[fan_since79]

Swell people, those ISIS folks. 

 

[nate]

51 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

One thing that distinguishes Trump from the others (except maybe Bernie) is he has sworn to get out of the nation-building and regime-change business. That's almost reason enough for me to vote for him, regardless of the rest of his baggage. Of course, there's also his pledge to kick ISIS' ass, so I worry about what kind of commitment that might take. 

Plus it is easy to say now when he doesn't have a million lobbyists encouraging him to insert a regime change.

[mtangelsfan]

He is the only one saying it though.  Hillary sure and the hell isn't.

[Jason]

Campaign promises are awesome

[fan_since79]

2 minutes ago, Angels N Skins said:

Campaign promises are awesome

I'm still laughing over Obama's promise during the 2008 campaign to deliver a NET spending cut in the federal budget. He accused McCain of being the big spender. Then he doubled the national debt.

 

[nate]

10 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

He is the only one saying it though.  Hillary sure and the hell isn't.

And we believe everything he says right?  Especially considering his statements on Muslims I would expect out of all the candidates he is the most likely to bomb, followed closely by Hillary.

Actually, maybe he is right, he won't regime change, just completely annihilate the entire region.

[mtangelsfan]

1 minute ago, nate said:

And we believe everything he says right?  Especially considering his statements on Muslims I would expect out of all the candidates he is the most likely to bomb, followed closely by Hillary.

Actually, maybe he is right, he won't regime change, just completely annihilate the entire region.

Again, would you rather have a candidate that says they will stop (a maybe) or the sure thing that absolutely won't stop?  How else are you supposed to determine policy?

[nate]

I think where I get lost, and maybe this is very AJ of me, is that anyone takes any word that Trumps says and thinks it is true.

He is a narcissist who has said just about anything you could imagine to rally support.  I don't consider anything he has ever said when it comes to his candidacy because it is all bullshit.  I look at him as a person and what he has done in the past to know that he is a fraudulent con artist that has bent every single rule there is in his favor while unapologeticly fucking over and bankrupting others in the process.

[mtangelsfan]

1 hour ago, nate said:

I think where I get lost, and maybe this is very AJ of me, is that anyone takes any word that Trumps says and thinks it is true.

He is a narcissist who has said just about anything you could imagine to rally support.  I don't consider anything he has ever said when it comes to his candidacy because it is all bullshit.  I look at him as a person and what he has done in the past to know that he is a fraudulent con artist that has bent every single rule there is in his favor while unapologeticly fucking over and bankrupting others in the process.

I get that.  I really do but I can't for the life of me not put Clinton in that very same boat.  

[nate]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

I get that.  I really do but I can't for the life of me not put Clinton in that very same boat.  

Yea, I get that too.  I put her one very tiny rung above him.  If I ranked them based on a 0-100 scale of integrity I would put Trump at 0 and Clinton at 1.

[mtangelsfan]

Fair enough

[Adam]

So you guys agree

kinda. 

[mtangelsfan]

Maybe

[nate]

Never

[mtangelsfan]

I agree that nate lives even farther from an In-n-Out than I do.

[nate]

dick

[Jay]

On 5/28/2016 at 0:16 AM, InsideThePark said:

FS thinks we should bomb indiscriminately. He's made that clear several times. Pro-life until they're born - especially if they're brown.

Just so you know, Middle Eastern people are considered "white"

http://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

 

[HaloMagic]

Do you think FS considers them white?

[mtangelsfan]

8 minutes ago, HaloMagic said:

Do you think FS considers them white?

Do you think the federal government does?

[HaloMagic]

As in the politicians themselves?