Twins Agree To Terms With Ricky Nolasco

[YouthofToday]

We can laugh all we want at Vargas' and Nolasco's contracts yet the reality that is the market rate. If we want reliable starting pitching that is what you are going to have to pay.

If we don't land Tanaka expect this to be our starting rotation:

Weaver

Wilson

Richards

Hughes (or simar pitcher)

Blanton/Williams/Hanson

[ettin]

He'll be the "cagey veteran" that all the young guys coming up to the major league team will "glean knowledge from" while they "pick his brain".

 

You've been on fire the last 24 hours Mark.... are you Reaganing?

[disarcina]

4 years - $49 mil -- for Nolasco?  Really?

 

Unbelievable.

[Stradling]

I guess I am biased or haven't paid attention because if you were to ask me who would I give more money to Vargas or Nolasco I for sure would have said Vargas.

[xboom28x]

It baffles me that anyone expects any contract to be what a player is actually worth.

 

Bargains don't happen until January or February.

[Stradling]

If we've learned anything it's that players are paid for what they did in hopes of continuing to do it. If you want a big name or two that's the chance you have to take.

[Brent Maguire]

I actually thought he would get a bit more, something like 4/55 but like YOT said, you have to pay to get some of these reliable pitchers.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Does this help us trade Blanton with the way starting pitching is getting paid? Is it worth tendering Hanson and seeing if some team will trade for him?

Maybe Hanson, but not Blanton. If you were a MLB GM, would you want Blanton (even if the Angels ate most of the rest of his contract and it only cost you 2-3 million)? GM's would rather go with someone from the farm system that has some potential. Someone from the farm will put up better numbers than Blanton.  

[Mark68]

You've been on fire the last 24 hours Mark.... are you Reaganing?

I'm actually supposed to be writing a paper...

[Angel Oracle]

Again, someone waaay overpays just because someone has TWO good months.

[Mark68]

Again, someone waaay overpays just because someone has TWO good months.

I don't think it was just about the two months...this is the market.

[Docwaukee]

these are the types of deals that seem to end up so poorly.  Below average pitcher past the age of 30 gets a 4 year deal.  See Carlos Silva. 

[Brent Maguire]

Again, someone waaay overpays just because someone has TWO good months.

He's been a pretty consistent guy for a while but yeah those 2 months definitely helped.

He's always had good peripherals but the ERA's never matched up to the FIPs he has posted.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Giants Nearing Deal With Ryan Vogelsong

By Jeff Todd [November 28 at 12:45am CST]

The Giants are moving toward a deal with free agent starter Ryan Vogelsong, tweets Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. San Francisco recently declined a $6.5MM club option on the 36-year-old righty.

Another questionable signing by the Giants.

[xboom28x]

Giants Nearing Deal With Ryan Vogelsong

By Jeff Todd [November 28 at 12:45am CST]

The Giants are moving toward a deal with free agent starter Ryan Vogelsong, tweets Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. San Francisco recently declined a $6.5MM club option on the 36-year-old righty.

Another questionable signing by the Giants.

I can remember someone on here trying to convince me that Vogelsong was some tremendous pitcher that we should trade for just a year or two ago. Good thing that didn't happen.

[Stradling]

I think that was AO. Wasn't Vogelsong in our system?

[xboom28x]

Couldn't have been AO. I don't remember seeing all caps or 1960s references during the discussion.

[Stradling]

Did the post mention F Troop or Paul Anka?

[xboom28x]

That would have definitely stuck out to me

[jshep]

I think that was AO. Wasn't Vogelsong in our system?

 

Ya, Salt Lake was his last stop before he went back to the Giants, if I remember right.

[SigBaby]

Twins turning to Hughes now. If we don't get Tanaka and aren't willing to go over the salary cap, then we're going to have to trade Trumbo, Howie, or Aybar for a #3/4 and sign guys like Scott Baker and Jeff Niemann to minor league deals and hope one of them can become a solid 5 starter.

[xboom28x]

I think we can still get Garza if we trade one of Howie or Aybar for pitching prospects. Give Garza the 8 or 9M for first year then go up from there on a 4/5 year deal.

[YouthofToday]

I think we can still get Garza if we trade one of Howie or Aybar for pitching prospects. Give Garza the 8 or 9M for first year then go up from there on a 4/5 year deal.

Competitive balance tax takes the contracts' AAV -- not annual salary.

[xboom28x]

What is the reason then for DiPoto backloading these contracts to Pujols and Hamilton? If it takes AAV, there is no point in getting creative to stay under the cap.

[Stradling]

xboom there are a couple of different reasons. First each team still has a budget from year to year. Also We are paying Albert, big time money in 8 years, but it is today's version of a big time contract. We have no idea what a big time contract will look like in 8 years. I am guessing it won't be much better than $30million. But Pujols is a rare case.