Trout's risp average broken down by year.

[johndw52]

Does anyone know where I can find these stats? Clutch too? 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, johndw52 said:

Does anyone know where I can find these stats? Clutch too? 

The internet

[jsnpritchett]

18 minutes ago, johndw52 said:

Does anyone know where I can find these stats? Clutch too? 

These are his career stats with runners on, no one on, and RISP:

... and these are his career stats in clutch situations:

Edited April 14 by jsnpritchett

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Dude is our fearless leader hitting .281. 

[Swordsman78]

[BTH]

5 hours ago, johndw52 said:

Does anyone know where I can find these stats? Clutch too? 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfAB=&hfGT=R|&hfPR=&hfZ=&hfStadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfPull=&hfC=&hfSea=2024|2023|2022|2021|2020|2019|2018|2017|2016|2015|2014|2013|2012|2011|2010|2009|2008|&hfSit=&player_type=batter&hfOuts=&hfOpponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&hfMo=&hfTeam=&home_road=&hfRO=5|&position=&hfInfield=&hfOutfield=&hfInn=&hfBBT=&batters_lookup[]=545361&hfFlag=&metric_1=&group_by=name-year&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&min_pas=0&sort_col=pitches&player_event_sort=api_p_release_speed&sort_order=desc&chk_stats_pa=on&chk_stats_ba=on&chk_stats_obp=on&chk_stats_slg=on&chk_stats_woba=on#results

[totdprods]

This is pretty incredible

 

[Duren, Duren]

His numbers overall career wise aren't bad. But we're talking about the present and recent trends. 

Still early this season. But the optics aren't great. He's swung and missed, taken for strikes  or fouled  off quite a few hittable pitches in or near his comfort zone. Especially with men on base. When you would assume the pitcher is focussed more intensely on getting the out. Without me on base pitchers can challenge more, based on score and game situation. 

Not a big concern yet but something to watch. And maybe having more productive help from the rest of the lineup would help. 

 

[Inside Pitch]

30 minutes ago, totdprods said:

This is pretty incredible

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=3&month=0&ind=0&startdate=&enddate=&season1=2016&season=2024&sortcol=2&sortdir=default&pagenum=1

Leads MLB in WPA.... WPL/LI (situational wins)

[T.G.]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=3&month=0&ind=0&startdate=&enddate=&season1=2016&season=2024&sortcol=2&sortdir=default&pagenum=1

Leads MLB in WPA.... WPL/LI (situational wins)

Can you spell that out for idiots like me?   What is a situational win?

[Jeremiah]

Whatever to the optics. This is obviously a case of recency bias. The stats do not support the idea that Trout stinks when the game is on the line.

[Make Angels Great Again]

6 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=3&month=0&ind=0&startdate=&enddate=&season1=2016&season=2024&sortcol=2&sortdir=default&pagenum=1

Leads MLB in WPA.... WPL/LI (situational wins)

 

But apparently 468th of 470 in 'clutch'?

 

How does that square? Is his WPA/LI good due to accumulation?

 

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

But apparently 468th of 470 in 'clutch'?

 

How does that square? Is his WPA/LI good due to accumulation?

 

Because they aren't measuring clutch at all they are measuring how good a guy is in leveraged situations compared to every other situation.  So if you're always awesome, then their version of CLUTCH thinks you suck..  It's a poorly named statistic.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, T.G. said:

Can you spell that out for idiots like me?   What is a situational win?

It means he's been better at producing when it matters most (helping his team win) than anyone else in MLB since 2016.

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

It means he's been better at producing when it matters most (helping his team win) than anyone else in MLB since 2016.

But he didn't yesterday so he sucks. 

[BTH]

2 hours ago, totdprods said:

This is pretty incredible

 

Good stuff from VinRBI to compile all that, though I’m not sure I want to watch 24 mins of video presumably filled with plenty of frustration.

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

But he didn't yesterday so he sucks. 

100%!

To be fair, that FG "Clutch" stat is a big reason why people think he's not good in those situations -- not because of the actual stat, but because the reality is he's always so good that people want him to be superhuman in those "clutch" situations.

He's raised expectations so far where anything but awesome is viewed as failure.

He's a dumbass basically.

[Inside Pitch]

22 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

The internet

This post better get a lot of love.

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

100%!

To be fair, that FG "Clutch" stat is a big reason why people think he's not good in those situations -- not because of the actual stat, but because the reality is he's always so good that people want him to be superhuman in those "clutch" situations.

He's raised expectations so far where anything but awesome is viewed as failure.

He's a dumbass basically.

for me, i want trout to be like david ortiz in late innings/clutch situation. ortiz always seemed to have a big hit in a big moment. i can't remember trout doing any of that, though clearly the stats say otherwise. 

[tdawg87]

NO

I WANT TO BE ANGRY

[Kevin]

2 hours ago, BTH said:

Good stuff from VinRBI to compile all that, though I’m not sure I want to watch 24 mins of video presumably filled with plenty of frustration.

I'm about 5 minutes in and there have been plenty of weak ground outs, fly outs to end the game, some walks, singles (infield, doinks, solid contact). Had a game tying homerun.

If he got on base via a hit and there was a man on base already, he didn't score. Which I am okay with since he didn't produce an out and extended the inning. The only frustrating part was the announcer would then make the comment "...and that will bring up Pujols." That didn't inspire a lot of confidence.

Glad Inside Pitch could provide some much needed perspective. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

5 hours ago, totdprods said:

This is pretty incredible

 

 

Someone actually did the work, lol:

 

 

[BTH]

14 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Someone actually did the work, lol:

 

 

I wonder how that compares to the league average in those situations.

 

EDIT: I tried to search, but am unsure what specific criteria were used to look at these situations.

I looked up Trout's stats in the 8th/9th/extras where the tying or winning run was either on-base or Trout himself. My search came up with 399 such PAs.

In those situations, he has an .896 OPS.

Since 2008, the league average OPS in those situations is .690.

Edited April 15 by BTH

[Make Angels Great Again]

4 minutes ago, BTH said:

I wonder how that compares to the league average in those situations.

Not sure, but the dude said in the thread that he was going to do the same for mookie, Acuna, judge and some others

[AngelsLakersFan]

3 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

It means he's been better at producing when it matters most (helping his team win) than anyone else in MLB since 2016.

Unfortunately WPA/LI is WPA with the leverage index factored out, so this is more a reflection of Trout's overall production without the clutch component included. 

Of course your point still stands with WPA.