Tim Anderson rumor

[jsnpritchett]

7 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Same. He fits the needs a lot better, with the exception of being able to really back-up SS adequately. But I feel every other box is checked...some outfield, some infield, some speed/base-stealing, good contact, little bit of pop. 

If Anderson is brought in purely as a supplemental/back-up piece, I'm alright with it...but if he's supplanting Drury or Rengifo from 2B or regular playing time I'm not that interested. I like that he can back-up SS and has some upside, but that's about. Really he's a more expensive and less reliable Urshela the way his last two seasons have gone, and we sort of have that under contract already in Fletcher.

Seems very unlikely that Anderson would sign with a team that wasn't going to more or less guarantee him a starting spot at either SS or 2B.  He needs to rebuild his value.  Hard to do that if you're coming off the bench a few times a week. 

[Angels 1961]

18 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Seems very unlikely that Anderson would sign with a team that wasn't going to more or less guarantee him a starting spot at either SS or 2B.  He needs to rebuild his value.  Hard to do that if you're coming off the bench a few times a week. 

Unless he's going to Oakland I do not think he gets any guarantee from any team. He would have to prove himself in spring. I like the fit for halos low risk high reward type. So many injuries last year just another vet who could help. Perry I'm sure has some sort of plan.

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

Seems very unlikely that Anderson would sign with a team that wasn't going to more or less guarantee him a starting spot at either SS or 2B.  He needs to rebuild his value.  Hard to do that if you're coming off the bench a few times a week. 

Yeah, the more I think about this it just doesn't make sense UNLESS the Angels are able to make a couple moves trading one or both of Drury and/or Rengifo to bring back some significant arms. 

[Angels 1961]

Anderson would add depth, so many injuries last year. Neto, Rendon, Rengifo and Drury all time on IL.

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

If they are going to embrace a rebuild he's not a bad guy to take a flier on just to see if he can regain some value for them to cash in at the trade deadline.

No team who is interested in winning next year is going to sign him.

[jsnpritchett]

4 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Yeah, the more I think about this it just doesn't make sense UNLESS the Angels are able to make a couple moves trading one or both of Drury and/or Rengifo. 

I don't really want any part of him even if those moves were to occur.  I'm more than happy to let another team take the risk on his comeback.

[T.G.]

The Angels are hoping for a bounce back season for Rendon, Trout and even Ward. Do they really need to add another guy they HOPE bounces back?

[Angels 1961]

Question is why would Minasian have interest in Anderson. What plan does he have for this off season? Halo fans only guessing at it now. 

[UndertheHalo]

The Angels have not demonstrated any ability to make players not suck.  Anderson genuinely sucked shit.  If he stops sucking it won’t be because the Angels will help him.  Anyway.  Good luck with all that.  

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

The Angels have not demonstrated any ability to make players not suck.  Anderson genuinely sucked shit.  If he stops sucking it won’t be because the Angels will help him.  Anyway.  Good luck with all that.  

Yes because what happened with Nevin and Maddon must happen with Washington. 

[BTH]

one of these years, all the "ifs" will come true, right?

/s

[UndertheHalo]

10 hours ago, Stradling said:

Yes because what happened with Nevin and Maddon must happen with Washington. 

It’s not about Madden, or Nevin or Washington or any of these individuals.  The organization is not competitive with the pitching and hitting labs and a bunch of other things that other teams do and the Angels don’t.  They apparently are one of the only teams that simply don’t have the “labs”.  Strad.  The Angels do not operate like the other clubs that have success.  Don’t be mad at me for simply saying it.  The evidence is what it is.  Multiple sources say it.  That Mayo guy on mlb pipeline.  Sam Blum has good reporting on it.  The Angels in general, do not make players better.  We’ve seen this year over year.

Anderson is a guy with great raw tools and not that long ago was an MVP player.  He’s not old or anything.  Maybe he just needs to get away from the White Sox, which seems to be one of the handful of organizations in Major League Baseball that *might* be more poorly run than the Angels.  Maybe he’ll just figure it out himself.  Maybe Washington facilitates an environment where that works. I’m just saying, don’t count on the Angels organization to see something or to fix anything.  

Edited November 14, 2023 by UndertheHalo

[Stradling]

Or check this out, a manager and his coaches, can make a difference in the performance of a veteran. 

[Angels 1961]

17 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

It’s not about Madden, or Nevin or Washington or any of these individuals.  The organization is not competitive with the pitching and hitting labs and a bunch of other things that other teams do and the Angels don’t.  They apparently are one of the only teams that simply don’t the “labs”.  Strad.  The Angels do not operate like the other clubs that have success.  Don’t be mad at me for simply saying it.  The evidence is what it is.  Multiple sources say it.  That Mayo guy at  BA.  Sam Blum has good reporting on it.  The Angels in general, do not make players better.  We’ve seen this year over year.

Anderson is a guy with great raw tools and not that long ago an MVP player.  He’s not old or anything.  Maybe he just needs to get away from the White Sox, which seems to be one of the handful of organizations in Major League Baseball that *might* be more poorly run than the Angels.  Maybe he’ll just figure it out himself.  Maybe Washington facilitates an environment where that works. I’m just saying, don’t count on the Angels organization to see something or to fix anything.  

Chisox did get 2 of our top prospects for Giolito so they moved a little ahead of halos.

[Taylor]

9 hours ago, Stradling said:

Or check this out, a manager and his coaches, can make a difference in the performance of a veteran. 

When has this occurred on the Angels in the last 10 years?

[Hubs]

I'd rather get Jonathan India if he's available from the Reds. Rengifo and Adell enough?

[BTH]

4 minutes ago, Hubs said:

I'd rather get Jonathan India if he's available from the Reds. Rengifo and Adell enough?

The Reds have a glut of position players they are trying to trade, and your solution is to give them two out of options position players for a quality player?

So, no. Not enough.

[Angels 1961]

34 minutes ago, BTH said:

The Reds have a glut of position players they are trying to trade, and your solution is to give them two out of options position players for a quality player?

So, no. Not enough.

I would not trade Rengifo straight up for India. Rengifo can play many positions is cheaper and had better numbers last year. 

[Hubs]

On 11/14/2023 at 11:05 AM, BTH said:

The Reds have a glut of position players they are trying to trade, and your solution is to give them two out of options position players for a quality player?

So, no. Not enough.

They have a glut of infielders, but are in need of an outfielder, and starting pitching. 

[EDinTUSTIN]

On 11/13/2023 at 9:32 AM, Duren, Duren said:

Velazquez doesn't fit on the type of team the Angels will be in 2024. A defensive specialist with literally no offensive talent. Unless you consider bunting on every at bat. He's a luxury for a good team that wants a late  inning defensive sub. 

I'd go after Anderson one a one year deal or maybe a bit longer with a team option. If the price is reasonable. He'll be motivated to jump start his career, and Washington will be a good influence. And would add versatility to the infield. 

Rengifo and Drury haven't proven to be everyday starters, but do well enough in limited time and as depth players. And I expect that there will be time enough at third base when Rendon starts missing games. 

And with the DH spot open we still don't know how it will be filled. Drury and Rengifo could be solid enough platooning there with whoever else is added. I doubt the team signs a high end everyday starter for that role. 

 

Except that he really is not that great of a defender. His defense is very overrated, particularly in important and high-pressure situations. He has minor-league talent only.

[Erstad Grit]

7 minutes ago, EDinTUSTIN said:

Except that he really is not that great of a defender. His defense is very overrated, particularly in important and high-pressure situations. He has minor-league talent only.

I think Velaz is a decent last bench kinda guy. Adequate PR for a catcher or a player like Moose and can fill in around the infield.

Definitely not a starter or even a regular. 

[Angel Oracle]

On 11/14/2023 at 11:00 AM, Hubs said:

I'd rather get Jonathan India if he's available from the Reds. Rengifo and Adell enough?

Problem with India is the -1.8 dWAR the past two seasons.   Combined with his 3.2 oWAR = just 1.4 total WAR.

Rengifo the past 2 seasons alone has a 5.1 oWAR and 0.2 dWAR for 5.3 total WAR.

Keep Rengifo and see if he blossoms further with the tutelage of Washington.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[totdprods]

3 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Problem with India is the -1.8 dWAR the past two seasons.

And basically a league average bat. In a hitter friendly park. Not really sure what is really that appealing about him or why he's being made out to be such a desirable trade commodity.

He's a former 1st rounder, ROY, and has age and metrics on his side to suggest he could take a step forward but...eh. I'm honestly surprised Seattle hasn't flipped Marco Gonzales or something for him yet. Seems like a good fit for both clubs and they have a lot of history dealing together.

Edited November 16, 2023 by totdprods

[mmc]

On 11/14/2023 at 11:00 AM, Hubs said:

I'd rather get Jonathan India if he's available from the Reds. Rengifo and Adell enough?

Why do you want the Angels to get worse?

[Hubs]

31 minutes ago, mmc said:

Why do you want the Angels to get worse?

India hasn't been great since his rookie year I guess, I just liked him then. I wouldn't do the trade I proposed, but I would do one where they got India and a top prospect for Rengifo, Adell, and an Arm.

This was in comparison to signing Tim Anderson, which I totally oppose. I am also sick of Rengifo's defense and his hot and cold bat.