Injuries

[Old Angel Fan]

For the longest time I have been critical of Arte Moreno for not loosening the purse strings. Even though I think the Rendon contract is a bust, I think he has done well to help his team win. We all want to point fingers at what we think is keeping us from winning but I don’t think Arte should be singled out. We should look at the devastating impact of our many injuries.

[Jason]

Injuries wouldn't be so bad if their depth had any type of talent. 

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

With the constant flow of players going to and from the DL and back.... I would also question the Medical and Training staffs....

[AngelsFaninGA]

7 hours ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

With the constant flow of players going to and from the DL and back.... I would also question the Medical and Training staffs....

There's definitely something going on here given the yearly injuries to pretty much everyone regardless of age, injury history, etc. With Arte's history of being cheap it wouldn't surprise me if we're cutting costs in that department too. 

[Blarg]

15 hours ago, Jason said:

Injuries wouldn't be so bad if their depth had any type of talent. 

Their depth has suffered injuries as well. It has been a ridiculous run of players cut down this season and no team has the depth to cover 6 of 8 starting positions. 

[stormngt]

8 hours ago, Blarg said:

Their depth has suffered injuries as well. It has been a ridiculous run of players cut down this season and no team has the depth to cover 6 of 8 starting positions. 

Try 18 of 40 man roster

[NrM]

 

every single year blaming the injures

what about when we were completely healthy earlier in the year and still playing garbage .500 baseball.

 

The good teams overcome the injuries. 

[Blarg]

27 minutes ago, NrM said:

 

every single year blaming the injures

what about when we were completely healthy earlier in the year and still playing garbage .500 baseball.

 

The good teams overcome the injuries. 

That is laughable. 

[Chuck]

Angels currently have 18 players on the injured list and have used the IL a total of 28 times this year for 25 different players.

The 18 players currently on the IL are the most in the Majors.

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, NrM said:

 

every single year blaming the injures

what about when we were completely healthy earlier in the year and still playing garbage .500 baseball.

 

The good teams overcome the injuries. 

Yea but we also played well enough to be 8 games above 500 right before the injuries

[LaPalma]

Angels are sixth in injury if you measure is by Spotrac’s injured lost cash totals.  In other words, how many $$ a team has paid out this year to players who were/are injured.

No excuses.

Several of the teams with even more injuries to key players are well ahead of us in the standings.

We have no depth because we have no farm.

[Blarg]

32 minutes ago, LaPalma said:

Several of the teams with even more injuries to key players are well ahead of us in the standings.

Key players? The entire infield has been rotated in and out along with two outfielders. Rendon has missed most of the season, Urshela lost for the rest of the season, Walsh lost for the rest of the season after only playing 27 games. Fletcher unable to play at MLB level since hip surgery, Neto on and off the IL for various injuries and Drury finally back in the lineup after missing all of July. Ward out for the season and Trout will miss eight weeks of the season. They are all key players including Stassi and O'Hoppe that forces us to use Thaiss as the primary and Wallach as the backup. 

Please post the teams and key players you think are the equivalent of what the Angels have gone through so far if you think what you are saying is true. 

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Key players? You dimwit the entire infield has been rotated in and out along with two outfielders. Rendon has missed most of the season, Urshela lost for the rest of the season, Walsh lost for the rest of the season after only playing 27 games. Fletcher unable to play at MLB level since hip surgery, Neto on and off the IL for various injuries and Drury finally back in the lineup after missing all of July. Ward out for the season and Trout will miss eight weeks of the season. They are all key players including Stassi and O'Hoppe that forces us to use Thaiss as the primary and Wallach as the backup. 

Please post the teams and key players you think are the equivalent of what the Angels have gone through so far if you think what you are saying is true. 

He’s about to tell you that you aren’t successful, also you can ask questions but he won’t actually answer them. 

[LaPalma]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

He’s about to tell you that you aren’t successful, also you can ask questions but he won’t actually answer them. 

No, I only do that to morons.

[LaPalma]

7 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Key players? The entire infield has been rotated in and out along with two outfielders. Rendon has missed most of the season, Urshela lost for the rest of the season, Walsh lost for the rest of the season after only playing 27 games. Fletcher unable to play at MLB level since hip surgery, Neto on and off the IL for various injuries and Drury finally back in the lineup after missing all of July. Ward out for the season and Trout will miss eight weeks of the season. They are all key players including Stassi and O'Hoppe that forces us to use Thaiss as the primary and Wallach as the backup. 

Please post the teams and key players you think are the equivalent of what the Angels have gone through so far if you think what you are saying is true. 

I told you the source, Spotrac.  Go look yourself.

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, LaPalma said:

I told you the source, Spotrac.  Go look yourself.

Nope, I'm not validating your assertion. Bring some real facts or just admit you don't understand the difference between payroll and players. 

[LaPalma]

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Nope, I'm not validating your assertion. Bring some real facts or just admit you don't understand the difference between payroll and players. 

I don’t need to spoon feed you.  If you can’t understand that more highly paid players tend to be better, and if lost $$ to injuries it is a good indicator, then I really don’t care.  Those are real facts.  You can’t grasp them or are in denial, your problem.

[Angel Oracle]

When was the last time the injuries were less than league average?

Eleven years ago?????

[Blarg]

12 hours ago, LaPalma said:

I don’t need to spoon feed you.  If you can’t understand that more highly paid players tend to be better, and if lost $$ to injuries it is a good indicator, then I really don’t care.  Those are real facts.  You can’t grasp them or are in denial, your problem.

Trout and Rendon are two of the highest paid players in baseball. Now, instead of dodging, show where any team has endured more starting lineup injuries than the Angels for both frequency and duration. Or can you not grasp the difference between losing an entire core group of the lineup over a couple of over priced players? If you can't then please move on, you are bringing nothing relevant to the discussion.

[fan_since79]

6 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

When was the last time the injuries were less than league average?

Eleven years ago?????

Good question. We seem to be snakebit, or cursed if you will, more often than many other teams.

My brother is still fond of the Indian burial site theory but I think that's been disproven?

[LaPalma]

16 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Trout and Rendon are two of the highest paid players in baseball. Now, instead of dodging, show where any team has endured more starting lineup injuries than the Angels for both frequency and duration. Or can you not grasp the difference between losing an entire core group of the lineup over a couple of over priced players? If you can't then please move on, you are bringing nothing relevant to the discussion.

Trout and Rendon were on track for a combined five WAR.  Quit pretending it was some huge loss.  Rendon is a 0 WAR player and Trout is a 3 WAR or less player, three out of the last four seasons.  He was on track for five.

NYY lost last year’s WAR leader, Judge, plus a ton of others.  His 11.5 WAR are more than Trout Rendon and just about every other player we lost combined.

Houston lost far more WAR than us.  If you can’t add that’s your problem.

I’ve added more than you (zero)  and told you where to find quantifiable data on injuries by team.

I’m right, you’re wrong, keep deflecting.

[Stradling]

What a fucking joke.  So Trout who was already a 3 WAR player this year, was only going to get 3 WAR or less even though he had a 6.1 WAR last year, but the guy who had 11.5 WAR last year was going to repeat it?  Sure, we are the ones that are wrong, not you, got it.  

[LaPalma]

24 minutes ago, Stradling said:

What a fucking joke.  So Trout who was already a 3 WAR player this year, was only going to get 3 WAR or less even though he had a 6.1 WAR last year, but the guy who had 11.5 WAR last year was going to repeat it?  Sure, we are the ones that are wrong, not you, got it.  

I said he was on track for five.  Be mad at yourself for having poor reading comprehension skills.

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, LaPalma said:

I said he was on track for five.  Be mad at yourself for having poor reading comprehension skills.

Ok I will. And I’ll pity you for awful logic. 

[ELEVEN]

WAR what is it good for?