How Joe Maddon Impacted Ohtani

[TroutBaseball]

Jason Stark interviewed Joe Maddon on his podcast. The most important parts for Angels fans are how he impacted Ohtani (he let him loose) and why Arte didn't sell (he liked what Perry was adding to the team).  He thinks Ohtani has to enter free agency and will be willing to pitch anywhere.

https://theathletic.com/podcast/243-the-athletic-baseball-show/?episode=447https://theathletic.com/podcast/243-the-athletic-baseball-show/?episode=447

He's playing a lot of golf and no one is contacting him about managing except Japanese teams.

 

Edited April 25, 2023 by TroutBaseball

[BTH]

1 minute ago, TroutBaseball said:

The most important parts for Angels fans are how he impacted Ohtani (he let him loose)

I wouldn’t say Maddon let Ohtani loose.

Perry also wanted to let Ohtani dictate his own usage. Which Maddon himself said in that interview.

If Perry didn’t want to do that, it wasn’t gonna happen.

[cals]

We could really use Joe right now. 

[Chuck]

12 minutes ago, cals said:

We could really use Joe right now. 

So the team could go on a massive long losing streak again? Hell nah.

[cals]

8 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

So the team could go on a massive long losing streak again? Hell nah.

Yeah but what was their record BEFORE the losing streak?

[Slegnaac]

34 minutes ago, cals said:

We could really use Joe right now. 

I do not want to see Trout and Rendon get injured again. 

[jsnpritchett]

15 minutes ago, cals said:

Yeah but what was their record BEFORE the losing streak?

103-119 in 2020-21.  Fuck Joe Maddon.

[cals]

4 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

103-119 in 2020-21.  Fuck Joe Maddon.

No but after that and before the losing streak. What was their record?

[jsnpritchett]

3 minutes ago, cals said:

No but after that and before the losing streak. What was their record?

...and on every other Tuesday, games while wearing their alternate jerseys, and in home games that they won.  Sure, they had a good record for a short stretch at the beginning of last year.  But he didn't do anything to stabilize things once they started losing and, by several accounts, the players didn't care for him.  I'm about 99% certain that your bizarre affection for him is some sort of bit, since that seems like something you'd do: but he was awful and it's pretty clear from the lack of offers he's getting that pretty much everybody else thinks that, too.

[cals]

3 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

...and on every other Tuesday, games while wearing their alternate jerseys, and in home games that they won.  Sure, they had a good record for a short stretch at the beginning of last year.  But he didn't do anything to stabilize things once they started losing and, by several accounts, the players didn't care for him.  I'm about 99% certain that your bizarre affection for him is some sort of bit, since that seems like something you'd do: but he was awful and it's pretty clear from the lack of offers he's getting that pretty much everybody else thinks that, too.

You are selectively choosing only to look at bad periods and not the good period.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, cals said:

You are selectively choosing only to look at bad periods and not the good period.

You are selectively looking at about 40 games out of 250.  Stfu.

[Stradling]

I mean he intentionally walked a guy with the bases loaded to motivate his players.  For a guy that’s supposed to be a master motivator and a master communicator, I found that to be funny. Oh and then we had some say, “it worked because they won”. 

[T.G.]

Poor Joe...trying to stay relevant.

[T.G.]

I hope Joe has learned by now that results matter.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, T.G. said:

I hope Joe has learned by now that results matter.

[Taylor]

Joe was better as a bench manager. Bring him back in that role.

 

[Chuck]

@cals just take the L. You're not winning this argument. 

[cals]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I mean he intentionally walked a guy with the bases loaded to motivate his players.  For a guy that’s supposed to be a master motivator and a master communicator, I found that to be funny. Oh and then we had some say, “it worked because they won”. 

They did win.

[cals]

14 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

@cals just take the L. You're not winning this argument. 

Never.

[Halo in Chicago]

Maddon sounds like a bitter dick who is trying to sound relevant to me, but I admittedly have not liked him for a long time.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/latest-mets-target-shohei-ohtani-231512028.html

[DCAngelsFan]

Joe reminds me of that line in Bull Durham about shower shoes - "If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful.   Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you're a slob."

When his teams were winning, he was a colorful genius.

When not, he was a senile weirdo living in his van down by the river.

Unemployed, he's a bitter, senile weirdo, living in his van down by the river, shouting "Notice me!" at passers-by.

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 hours ago, Halo in Chicago said:

Maddon sounds like a bitter dick who is trying to sound relevant to me, but I admittedly have not liked him for a long time.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/latest-mets-target-shohei-ohtani-231512028.html

I'm probably just reading too much into some of the comments there. But reading Ohtani's agent saying he's always been open to signing an extension with the Angels...

Not sure how true that is. But if so? We're beyond stupid for not trying to lock him up 2 years ago.

I know 2020 was ugly, and he was hurt the first two years..

.. but you have to assume theu scouted him enough, and saw enough before TJ, to say "this guy can hit. And he can pitch, too"

It would have still been a gamble, but they should have gambled it back before he blew up in 2021. 

Once he did, they should have made that the priority that offseason.

But here we are.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

20 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

...and on every other Tuesday, games while wearing their alternate jerseys, and in home games that they won.  Sure, they had a good record for a short stretch at the beginning of last year.  But he didn't do anything to stabilize things once they started losing and, by several accounts, the players didn't care for him.  I'm about 99% certain that your bizarre affection for him is some sort of bit, since that seems like something you'd do: but he was awful and it's pretty clear from the lack of offers he's getting that pretty much everybody else thinks that, too.

Going back even farther, he very nearly blew the Cubs' first world championship in 108 years by misusing Aroldis Chapman. Chapman was so angry about the incident that he couldn't wait to sign with the Yankees again once the season ended.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Vegas Halo Fan

[cals]

46 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Going back even farther, he very nearly blew the Cubs' first world championship in 108 years by misusing Aroldis Chapman. Chapman was so angry about the incident that he couldn't wait to sign with the Yankees again once the season ended.

He just wanted to be a Yankee.  He was traded from there and was a Cub for all of 2 months.  Plus, the Yanks wanted him after he choked and almost shot his girlfriend, so hey, he was loyal to them.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

26 minutes ago, cals said:

He just wanted to be a Yankee.  He was traded from there and was a Cub for all of 2 months.  Plus, the Yanks wanted him after he choked and almost shot his girlfriend, so hey, he was loyal to them.

The narrative at the time was that he couldn't wait to get out pf Chicago because of how he was used.