Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

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[m0nkey]

Let's go Perry!

[jsnpritchett]

2 hours ago, Warfarin said:

Salary relief.  If we sought out Burnes instead of Woodruff, we could do this:

Twin aces in Ohtani/Burnes, a huge SS upgrade, and even an OF upgrade.  We'd be legit contenders.  I can dream, right?

Zero chance that the Brewers would do a deal like that.  Their fans would riot. 

[Lazorko Saves]

7 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Zero chance that the Brewers would do a deal like that.  Their fans would riot. 

Yeah, somewhere on other team's boards fans are putting together things like this, saying the Angels should take this in a heartbeat, because 4.90 > 4.60

[Lazorko Saves]

Don't get me wrong @Warfarin, I love BBTV website for kind of doing a sanity check on deals with middle of the road players and prospects.

But with those big negative value contracts and elite level players, it just doesn't represent real world possibilities.

[Angels 1961]

17 minutes ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Yeah, somewhere on other team's boards fans are putting together things like this, saying the Angels should take this in a heartbeat, because 4.90 > 4.60

Would Adell match up with Vidal Brujan asking for a friend

[Pancake Bear]

20 minutes ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Don't get me wrong @Warfarin, I love BBTV website for kind of doing a sanity check on deals with middle of the road players and prospects.

But with those big negative value contracts and elite level players, it just doesn't represent real world possibilities.

The issue really is whether a team actually wants to move those players. If they were inclined to, the values might be correct, but unless they have incentive to move them the question is irrelevant. 

[Lazorko Saves]

1 minute ago, Pancake Bear said:

The issue really is whether a team actually wants to move those players. If they were inclined to, the values might be correct, but unless they have incentive to move them the question is irrelevant. 

I think the issue is different.  Teams that want to offload dead weight will always eat money to do it.

Even if the Brewers got a real itch to dump Yelich, they aren't going to trade their #1 starter and starting SS to do it.  It just doesn't happen, unless you get an owner who is headed for bankruptcy or something weird like that.

[Warfarin]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

Zero chance that the Brewers would do a deal like that.  Their fans would riot. 

 

34 minutes ago, Lazorko Saves said:

I think the issue is different.  Teams that want to offload dead weight will always eat money to do it.

Even if the Brewers got a real itch to dump Yelich, they aren't going to trade their #1 starter and starting SS to do it.  It just doesn't happen, unless you get an owner who is headed for bankruptcy or something weird like that.

Yeah, I know.  That's why I always qualified it and said pure fantasy.  But it's fun to play around with that machine nevertheless.

[Docwaukee]

that trade simulator is usually pretty spot on when the names are plugged in after a trade.  It falls apart at the extreme positive or negative values though because those guys are rarely if ever traded.  

[Warfarin]

48 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

The issue really is whether a team actually wants to move those players. If they were inclined to, the values might be correct, but unless they have incentive to move them the question is irrelevant. 

 

39 minutes ago, Lazorko Saves said:

I think the issue is different.  Teams that want to offload dead weight will always eat money to do it.

Even if the Brewers got a real itch to dump Yelich, they aren't going to trade their #1 starter and starting SS to do it.  It just doesn't happen, unless you get an owner who is headed for bankruptcy or something weird like that.

Well, notably, the Red Sox did do that back in 2012, in which they shipped off 250 million in contracts to the Dodgers for basically nothing.  They weren't heading to bankruptcy.  Incidentally, they actually used that payroll space to help finance their future teams, and they notably won the World Series the very next year.

That said, I recognize that was a rather specific circumstance and unusual occurrence.  I would not expect to see anything like that reprise itself.  Moreover, the fan base would only tolerate that if they essentially immediately re-invested that cost savings into the team, which would be highly unlikely given how they operate.

[Warfarin]

2 hours ago, mmc said:

 

So this is rather interesting.  Are they going to re-negotiate the deal?  Get Correa to defer more, thus bringing down the AAV further?  Or would this be enough to actually scuttle the deal?

It is rather unusual to see something like this over such a high profile free agency.  

[T.G.]

9 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

But it's fun to play around with that machine nevertheless.

 

[beatlesrule]

Any guess as to how Borass spins his medical issue?

[Angels 1961]

They found the buzzer

[Revad]

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

They found the buzzer

They’re supposed to be undetectable by modern medicine.

[Angels 1961]

Will Angels hold off on trade talks for Anderson, Adames, Rosario, Mateo and Brujan until Correa mess cleared up?

[Warfarin]

6 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Will Angels hold off on trade talks for Anderson, Adames, Rosario, Mateo and Brujan until Correa mess cleared up?

Extremely unlikely.  Does not seem like the Angels were ever a factor in the 4 star FAs.  Just doesn't make financial sense to an owner in the process of selling the team.  It might delay things in that if Correa's deal is reneged, then we'll have to wait a few days before his blockbuster deal with either the Mets or Padres is announced, lol.

[Angel Oracle]

4 hours ago, mmc said:

 

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[Angels 1961]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

I think all ex Angel starters signed except Hill and Greinke.

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[Erstad Grit]

3 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

I think all ex Angel starters signed except Hill and Greinke.

Fogetting someone?

[Stradling]

I wonder if the outrageous contracts given out this year in free agency make Fletcher trade-able?