Angels trade Raisel Iglesias to the Braves for Tucker Davidson and Jesse Chavez

[Chuck]

Tucker Davidson could be good. I was looking at some of his starts on video from last year and this year, both the majors and minors. 

Might be a good addition. 

[Warfarin]

2 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Tucker Davidson could be good. I was looking at some of his starts on video from last year and this year, both the majors and minors. 

Might be a good addition. 

Davidson looks intriguing as a backend SP.  He has some solid AAA numbers.  It does seem like we are starting to collect a number of SP options in the upper minors (Davidson, Silseth, Junk, Bush, Bachman, etc etc).  Hopefully, we'll see a few emerge and become legit SPs that we can count on for years.

[eligrba]

Atlanta better be sending Minasian some flowers with a thoughtful personalized note tomorrow.

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

1 hour ago, T.G. said:

Ok... Who is Tucker "Carlson" Davidson?

Fitting since his ERA this season is awful in only 4 games.  Remember the junk for junk headlines last year with Heaney?  Lather, rinse, repeat.

[beatlesrule]

Shows you how inept this organization is. They keep Raisel at the deadline last year when they could have gotten a good haul of prospects for him and then sign him to a 4 year 58 million dollar contract only to trade him in the first year of his deal for less than what he would have gotten back last year.

[khouse]

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

Good teams also develop players and spend money wisely in free agency. Angel's have not done these things. They are not a good team and will take years to try and be competitive. Today was the first step.

Um...this is confusing. If, as you say, "they are not a good team and will take years to try & be competitive"...what, exactly, did they take their "first step" toward? Mediocrity maybe...or contraction perhaps? But even beyond this is the belief that, somehow, Perry will put the "savings" to better use. Especially, when some here are saying, at the same time, that the team was "lucky" to have "escaped" the contracts that...guess who... Perry gave them. Which, they were of course but oh...the irony huh?

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

I don’t really dislike any of these trades, but I feel like we’ve created more 2023 holes without addressing any needs, and if that was going to be the outcome, should’ve sold further.

Quijada, Stassi, Barria, Adell, considered Walsh, Ward, or Suarez/Sandoval, but whatever. 

Perry has a lot of work this winter.

They 2023 isn’t going to be good, so no need for a closer.

[bloodbrother]

26 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

It's going to be funny when we blow leads in the 9th over the next 3 games, and we all lose our shit like "Iglesias is missed"

Nobody is watching the games anymore except for when Ohtani pitches

[ettin]

2 hours ago, TroutField said:

Perry somehow made the team even worse and didn’t add anything for next year. 
 

great way to handle the Ohtani situation. 

Doesn't this help free up payroll to extend Ohtani?

[ettin]

2 hours ago, stormngt said:

The only salary dumped is Iglesias.   Noah isn't back next year.  Marsh makes minimum wage

Why would Noah not be back next year? He is a free agent and the Angels will probably still need pitching, it is still a possibility.

[stormngt]

53 minutes ago, Kendo36 said:

Iglesias is a huge reason why this season went south. The blowpen started the downfall. Getting out of 4 yrs of expensively blown saves is a great move by Perry. 

Iglesias will do better and do well for ATL this year and next.  However, an aging closer making 16 mill would have been a disaster his last two years of contract.

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Iglesias will suddenly be a TOP CLOSER for the PLAYOFF BOUND BRAVES!...

 

No Matt "isn't" Wise... 

yea, because Matt Wise really fucked him up last year.  

[stormngt]

4 minutes ago, ettin said:

Why would Noah not be back next year? He is a free agent and the Angels will probably still need pitching, it is still a possibility.

Yes ot is, but he isn't a salary dump because his contract is expiring.

That was the point if my post.

[ettin]

1 hour ago, Docwaukee said:

Minasian is a moron.  

You probably get a better return for him last year.  But instead, they don't trade him because it gives them a better chance to re-sign him and then they do bring him back.  Convincing the player he's part of their plan for the next 4 years.  Then they trade him as a salary dump for peanuts.  So they minimized the return and kind of deceived the player.  I'm not saying that isn't part of baseball, but how often do teams pull the plug after one year?  And how does that sit with other players who might consider coming here?

Totally agree with the optics and perception part, here. I have to think the sudden decline in velocity played into this decision, though. Perhaps the Angels had serious reason to believe Iglesias was a red flag type of player, after the signing, that was making him a lot more riskier to carry on the roster.

[Erstad Grit]

Not trading Iglesias last year when his value was through the roof in hopes of luring him to stay to a huge deal to then trade him for very little is so angels. 

[khouse]

2 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

Minasian is a moron.  

You probably get a better return for him last year.  But instead, they don't trade him because it gives them a better chance to re-sign him and then they do bring him back.  Convincing the player he's part of their plan for the next 4 years.  Then they trade him as a salary dump for peanuts.  So they minimized the return and kind of deceived the player.  I'm not saying that isn't part of baseball, but how often do teams pull the plug after one year?  And how does that sit with other players who might consider coming here?

Not just him but Perry was disingenuous with Syndergaard as well. Ardently pursuing him as he did & making him feel that they really valued him (which he mentioned as a reason for signing with them) & calling his signing a "partnership". I mean...to your point...does anyone else remember how, just a few years back, many here lamented that no good player would ever want to sign & play for this team? Kinda funny how that was such a legit concern then & how it just might be again...

[DMVol]

20 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Iglesias will do better and do well for ATL this year and next.  However, an aging closer making 16 mill would have been a disaster his last two years of contract.

^^^^ Would rather take my chances on Davidson being a decent back end starter in 2/3 years than Iglesias being an effective closer in 2/3 years….Atlanta is a championship contender now and will take the chance that Iglesias can help them this year and next year…not a bad bet by either team…

[sportstr44]

ANGELS RECEIVE

Tucker Davidson, LHP
Age: 26

Davidson has been riding the Gwinnett-Atlanta shuttle for multiple years. The Braves have been trying to develop him as a starter, and there’s every reason for the Angels to try the same, but the window of time for him to make it as a starter is starting to close. If he can’t stick as a starter, and his control wavers when he pitches in the majors, he has a fallback option as a lefty reliever. Davidson’s 93-95 mph fastball plays as a below-average pitch because it doesn’t have the movement to miss bats. His 87-89 mph slider is a useful weapon, but it’s not a pitch he can consistently throw for strikes. Davidson has had plenty of success at Triple-A, but he’s yet to translate it to the majors. The Angels have plenty of innings to give him to see if a change of scenery will help him find himself in the majors.

Jesse Chavez, RHP
Age: 38

This is already Chavez’s second trade of the season. He began the year with the Cubs, and then was sent back to Atlanta (where he pitched in 2021) in a trade that sent Sean Newcomb to the Cubs. Chavez was effective for the Braves, going 1-1, 2.11 with a 2.54 FIP. He actually should be a useful addition to the Angels’ bullpen. He’s a free agent at the end of the season.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 hour ago, Kendo36 said:

Iglesias is a huge reason why this season went south. The blowpen started the downfall. Getting out of 4 yrs of expensively blown saves is a great move by Perry. 

Trout's 0-23 didn't help either, the offense has been worse than the pitching

[ukyah]

2 hours ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

this might be the most disappointing trade,as it says alot about the direction this team is going..( directionless..) 

1. the Gm's ( who ever it is) will be on a lease at how much they should spend. hear it hear first, don't expect to exceed Stupid Artes 190 mil hard cap. 

2. At this point, should have traded Othani....

3. Fuck Arte.

perry minasian will be the gm next year. honestly he should be. if they're just going to fire their gm and coaches every couple of years, then just sell the team.

but he should sell the team anyways.

[ten ocho recon scout]

The good news is that at least one person out there who bought a Chavez jersey a few years back gets to wear it again.

[mmc]

I’m surprised the value is what people take issue with here.  The big issue with this is that this makes it abundantly clear we aren’t getting a payroll increase from ownership, and Minasian knows he needs as much room as possible to improve the team.  The exact opposite of what most people wanted for 2023.  Truly think we’re screwed and need to do a larger teardown.

[khouse]

5 minutes ago, sportstr44 said:

ANGELS RECEIVE

Tucker Davidson, LHP
Age: 26

Davidson has been riding the Gwinnett-Atlanta shuttle for multiple years. The Braves have been trying to develop him as a starter, and there’s every reason for the Angels to try the same, but the window of time for him to make it as a starter is starting to close. If he can’t stick as a starter, and his control wavers when he pitches in the majors, he has a fallback option as a lefty reliever. Davidson’s 93-95 mph fastball plays as a below-average pitch because it doesn’t have the movement to miss bats. His 87-89 mph slider is a useful weapon, but it’s not a pitch he can consistently throw for strikes. Davidson has had plenty of success at Triple-A, but he’s yet to translate it to the majors. The Angels have plenty of innings to give him to see if a change of scenery will help him find himself in the majors.

Jesse Chavez, RHP
Age: 38

This is already Chavez’s second trade of the season. He began the year with the Cubs, and then was sent back to Atlanta (where he pitched in 2021) in a trade that sent Sean Newcomb to the Cubs. Chavez was effective for the Braves, going 1-1, 2.11 with a 2.54 FIP. He actually should be a useful addition to the Angels’ bullpen. He’s a free agent at the end of the season.

Sorry guys but given the haul Perry could have gotten for Raisel last year...this is truly a pathetic return...

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

I’m surprised the value is what people take issue with here.  The big issue with this is that this makes it abundantly clear we aren’t getting a payroll increase from ownership, and Minasian knows he needs as much room as possible to improve the team.  The exact opposite of what most people wanted for 2023.  Truly think we’re screwed and need to do a larger teardown.

We don’t know that.  We will know that next March or April.

[CaliAngel]

1 hour ago, Kendo36 said:

Iglesias is a huge reason why this season went south. The blowpen started the downfall. Getting out of 4 yrs of expensively blown saves is a great move by Perry. 

Which is why a World Series defender and team who generally goes in the direction of a succesful ballclub that is going to make the playoffs want him?

Dumb.

This team went south because THEY DON'T SCORE RUNS. They don't have good fundamental at bats. They can't get a hit with 0 outs and RISP, they strike out instead. When's the last time we saw a sacrafice fly with a runner on 3rd?

Iglesias was 16-19 in close situations and only had 2 save opportunities the ENTIRE month of July. I get why they let him go because we are no longer a contender and it sheds the expense of his contract, but Iglesias was the LEAST of this teams problems.