Bobby Abreu HOFer?

[TempeAngel]

smh

[Stradling]

31 minutes ago, TempeAngel said:

smh

Why

[Blarg]

7 hours ago, Stradling said:

Reached base more times, more doubles, more home runs, more runs, more RBIs, more stolen bases all in less games than Gwynn. 

15 less games. Runs scored and RBI are team driven. Career Abreu was a career 128 OPS+ hitter while Gwynn a 132. You need to dig deeper for your argument and not try and hang it all on hitting. 

[tdawg87]

13 minutes ago, Blarg said:

15 less games. Runs scored and RBI are team driven. Career Abreu was a career 128 OPS+ hitter while Gwynn a 132. You need to dig deeper for your argument and not try and hang it all on hitting. 

It's a good thing HOF voters don't consider those stats.

[Lou]

HOF voters consider AS appearances.

Score?

 

[tdawg87]

Also, no one is saying Abreu is better than Gwynn. He's not. Just that his overall career numbers are comparable.

[Lou]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Also, no one is saying Abreu is better than Gwynn. He's not. Just that his overall career numbers are comparable.

Actually, Strad said those numbers are better.

[tdawg87]

Just now, Lou said:

Actually, Strad said those numbers are better.

That's because they are. 

But overall, Gwynn was better. Just not by a lot.

[Lou]

I'd take Gwynn every day of the week. 

[Stradling]

21 minutes ago, Lou said:

Actually, Strad said those numbers are better.

Well those numbers are better. Well more doubles, more home runs, more stolen bases and being on base more times are all better. They are better because of the word more. Was he the better player?  No.  Offensively he was more productive. 

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

15 less games. Runs scored and RBI are team driven. Career Abreu was a career 128 OPS+ hitter while Gwynn a 132. You need to dig deeper for your argument and not try and hang it all on hitting. 

Yes 15 games less. 

[tdawg87]

"Don't hang it all on hitting"

*posts hitting numbers*

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

15 less games. Runs scored and RBI are team driven. Career Abreu was a career 128 OPS+ hitter while Gwynn a 132. You need to dig deeper for your argument and not try and hang it all on hitting. 

I remember when you used to die on the hill that the most important pitching stat was wins.

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Well those numbers are better. Well more doubles, more home runs, more stolen bases and being on base more times are all better. They are better because of the word more. 

That's what I said. 

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

"Don't hang it all on hitting"

*posts hitting numbers*

It was rebuttal to Strads one dimensional argument that Abreu was a better hitter, which is false. Abreu had opportunities to hit in easier home parks like Philly and Yankees stadium. Gwynn spent his entire career with the Padres at the Murph, not a hitters paradise, even more difficult for lefties to hit home runs and yet Gwynn had a higher career OPS+. 

I said dig deeper because he hasn't posted much more than a basic slash line which didn't include defense. 

2 hours ago, Taylor said:

I remember when you used to die on the hill that the most important pitching stat was wins.

You are wrong and please be quiet, the grownups are talking. 

[notherhalo]

was the Abreu 5MM (or was it 4MM) contract the best bargain signing ever for the Angels in the recent era?

[Taylor]

25 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You are wrong and please be quiet, the grownups are talking. 

Are you denying it? To be fair, this was years ago. 

[Taylor]

Also tdawg is like 3 years older than me.

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Are you denying it? To be fair, this was years ago. 

I'm saying you are acting like a child and have selective memories that don't include context. You also like hijacking threads instead of contributing to the discussion. So, hush.

[Blarg]

43 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Also tdawg is like 3 years older than me.

Age doesn't determine maturity. 

[cals]

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Age doesn't determine maturity. 

I’m 47.

[Blarg]

Thanks for making my case for me, counselor. 

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Age doesn't determine maturity. 

@tdawg Blarg thinks you're more mature than me.

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

I'm saying you are acting like a child and have selective memories that don't include context. You also like hijacking threads instead of contributing to the discussion. So, hush.

I've already given my opinion in this thread. I believe Abreu should be in the HOF, but I respect those who don't. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Abreu and Gwynn are basically the same player. The only disagreement comes from the olds who can’t get past their 1950s programming or the legitimately developmentally disabled.