Buster Posey

[happybat4]

Good player! Might be a stupid question, but is he a hall of famer? Counting stats and WAR are low, but I think catchers have low WARs compared to most players.

[ukyah]

 i was surprised to read yesterday that he was going to announce today. hate to see him go, he's been a great player. kind of a short career, but my initial thought is he'd get my vote.

[arch stanton]

I think he gets in. RoY. MVP. SS. Batting title. 7x all star. Critical part of 3 WS champs. Tangible things a voter can look to

[UndertheHalo]

He’s a hall of famer pretty easily imo.

[yamsi12]

Yes

[T.G.]

I heard someone make the argument that his numbers are similar to Jorge Posada's and he received less than. 4% of the vote. 

That being said, I think Posey IS a HOFer.

[Lou]

34 minutes ago, True Grich said:

I heard someone make the argument that his numbers are similar to Jorge Posada's and he received less than. 4% of the vote. 

That being said, I think Posey IS a HOFer.

Posada played 5 more years and had the luxury of playing in a little league park. 

[T.G.]

15 minutes ago, Lou said:

Posada played 5 more years and had the luxury of playing in a little league park. 

Ok.

[gotbeer]

Hate the Giants, but Posey has always been class.  I just think it's good that he goes out on his term, and not like a 48 year old piece of Poo.  Hall of Fame is questionable, but at least he isn't chasing converting to first or going to a DH team chasing the numbers.  From articles I've read, health is a major issue with a few concussions and his body breaking down.  But man he has the hardware in the trophy case.  

I'd like to hear what @Jeff Fletcher thinks about Posey's HOF chances.  I think he has a vote doesn't he?

[gotbeer]

BTW, some trivia.  But the first team to draft Posey was the Angels.

[T.G.]

One of the best fantasy baseball team names ever... "Pocket full of Poseys"

 

[T.G.]

50 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

BTW, some trivia.  But the first team to draft Posey was the Angels.

50th round out of high school... he opted to go to Florida State instead.

[Dtwncbad]

10 hours ago, arch stanton said:

I think he gets in. RoY. MVP. SS. Batting title. 7x all star. Critical part of 3 WS champs. Tangible things a voter can look to

“I think HE GETS IN.”

I wish more people looked at it like a museum choosing to feature a particular player (with the player subsequently feeling personally rewarded) rather than it being a personal award TO the player.

It seems like we would end up with a better Hall of Fame if we stuck with this mental discipline rather than sometimes being focused on rewarding or depriving the player personally.

With Pete Rose and some in the steroid era, the entire subject is way too entrenched in the narrow slice of either providing or depriving the player personally of the satisfaction, rather than trying to get the historical accuracy correct.

(this post not directed AT arch, just seemed to “fit” here)

[Jeff Fletcher]

2 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Hate the Giants, but Posey has always been class.  I just think it's good that he goes out on his term, and not like a 48 year old piece of Poo.  Hall of Fame is questionable, but at least he isn't chasing converting to first or going to a DH team chasing the numbers.  From articles I've read, health is a major issue with a few concussions and his body breaking down.  But man he has the hardware in the trophy case.  

I'd like to hear what @Jeff Fletcher thinks about Posey's HOF chances.  I think he has a vote doesn't he?

I am a HOF voter.

And I have just glanced at his numbers a few times in the past couple days, and I think I would probably vote for him. I tend to prefer guys who played at high level for a short time over guys who played at a lower level but for longer (I never voted for Craig Biggio, for example.) However, I'm not sure a lot of my colleagues feel that way. I think a lot of people will give him a lot of credit for 3 WS titles. That's certainly something that should help him in the eyes of anyone who wants to ding him for lack of volume.

[Mark68]

2 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Hate the Giants, but Posey has always been class.  I just think it's good that he goes out on his term, and not like a 48 year old piece of Pooholes.  Hall of Fame is questionable, but at least he isn't chasing converting to first or going to a DH team chasing the numbers.  From articles I've read, health is a major issue with a few concussions and his body breaking down.  But man he has the hardware in the trophy case.  

I'd like to hear what @Jeff Fletcher thinks about Posey's HOF chances.  I think he has a vote doesn't he?

 

[Mark68]

12 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I am a HOF voter.

And I have just glanced at his numbers a few times in the past couple days, and I think I would probably vote for him. I tend to prefer guys who played at high level for a short time over guys who played at a lower level but for longer (I never voted for Craig Biggio, for example.) However, I'm not sure a lot of my colleagues feel that way. I think a lot of people will give him a lot of credit for 3 WS titles. That's certainly something that should help him in the eyes of anyone who wants to ding him for lack of volume.

I would think that by the JAWS measurement, he gets in. His prime years were excellent. 

[Docwaukee]

He's only one of 3 catchers to win an MVP.  Carter and Josh Gibson were the other two.  So even guys like Bench and Berra never got one.  Not that I would use that as something overly significant, but others might.  

*edit - this info is not correct.  see below.  

[Dtwncbad]

Posey was a great player.  But I can’t feel comfortable saying he was one of the greatest players of all time.

If I owed a museum designed to present to the public “the greatest players of all time,” I would not be including Buster Posey in the museum.

With that very simplified analysis, I say he is not a HOF player.

Edited November 5, 2021 by Dtwncbad

[Dtwncbad]

13 hours ago, arch stanton said:

I think he gets in. RoY. MVP. SS. Batting title. 7x all star. Critical part of 3 WS champs. Tangible things a voter can look to

I have no problem with this angle.

He has some stuff that would make it easy for many to say yes.

 

[jsnpritchett]

52 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

He's only one of 3 catchers to win an MVP.  Carter and Josh Gibson were the other two.  So even guys like Bench and Berra never got one.  Not that I would use that as something overly significant, but others might.  

Huh?  Where are you getting that?  Bench won MVP in '70 and '72.  Berra won 3.  Roy Campanella won 3.  Cochrane won 2. Mauer, Pudge Rodriguez, Lombardi, and Hartnett also won MVP.

[Taylor]

13 hours ago, arch stanton said:

I think he gets in. RoY. MVP. SS. Batting title. 7x all star. Critical part of 3 WS champs. Tangible things a voter can look to

Plus he's got one of those classic baseball names. Right up there with Lefty Grove and Goose Gossage.

[Taylor]

Funny, FiveThirtyEight's headline article today is about this same question.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/buster-poseys-career-was-short-but-elite-will-it-land-him-in-the-hall-of-fame/

 

[Docwaukee]

28 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Huh?  Where are you getting that?  Bench won MVP in '70 and '72.  Berra won 3.  Roy Campanella won 3.  Cochrane won 2. Mauer, Pudge Rodriguez, Lombardi, and Hartnett also won MVP.

whoops.  I must have been looking at something different.  

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

whoops.  I must have been looking at something different.  

yep.  looked at the wrong column on BBref.  

[gotbeer]

26 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Funny, FiveThirtyEight's headline article today is about this same question.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/buster-poseys-career-was-short-but-elite-will-it-land-him-in-the-hall-of-fame/

 

 

Thanks for posting this.  Because when thinking of the 3 WS championships of the Giants.  The only name that came to mind was that Posey was on them.  Couldn't think of any others.  And from that list, I can see why.