Gerrit Cole chose Yankees because he wanted to win a World Series

[Angels_Fan]

4 minutes ago, jchalos89 said:

idk why you are so into those predicting 9 years thing, but Cole won't be the same after like 4-5 years. Im 100% sure even Yankees dont expect Cole to be CY contender for full 9 years. They want his first 4-5 years and want to win 1-2 chips in those years. After that, Cole can be all washed up and Yanks will eat up his contract. That's what big market Yankees can do.

Angels can sign good starters and may have chance at PS but if you are talking about current roster's potential for next 3 years, Angels has no chance against Yankees regarding WS title. Also, at his point of signing, he didnt even know if Rendon will choose to sign with the Angels and it's not like he was going to have 324M/9yrs and 300M/8yrs contract offers hang out there and wait to see if Angels land Rendon or not

Because he signed a 9 year contract. It’s pretty simple.

[Angels_Fan]

And if the Angels make the postseason, there’d be very little difference between them and the Yankees given the sample size we’d be talking about (a whopping 7 games, at most). 

[jchalos89]

1 minute ago, Angels_Fan said:

Because he signed a 9 year contract. It’s pretty simple.

well, when signing those long term contracts, usually back end of those contracts are just incentives to get those superstars to sign. Angels did the same thing when they were signing Pujols (well he fell apart way quicker than Angels expected but still).

Yankees arent looking to win in Cole's 9th year. He doesnt have to predict what will happen at that time. Yanks want to win now, and Cole wants to win in his prime years, starting from 2020. And it's hard to say Cole made wrong choice in that regards

[Angels_Fan]

3 minutes ago, jchalos89 said:

well, when signing those long term contracts, usually back end of those contracts are just incentives to get those superstars to sign. Angels did the same thing when they were signing Pujols (well he fell apart way quicker than Angels expected but still).

Yankees arent looking to win in Cole's 9th year. He doesnt have to predict what will happen at that time. Yanks want to win now, and Cole wants to win in his prime years, starting from 2020. And it's hard to say Cole made wrong choice in that regards

He wants to win a WS. He can theoretically win one 9 years from now. He’s not the only player on the team (just one of 26). If the Yankees are pinning their hopes for winning  on one player, as you suggest, then they’d be in trouble.

[Chuck]

35 minutes ago, ScottT said:

Do MLB teams have bulletin boards?  Does anyone?

No. LOL 

I changed the thread title.

[m0nkey]

21 minutes ago, Angels_Fan said:

For this year, the Yankees likely have a better chance to make the postseason (and win a WS, as a result) than the Angels. But that doesn’t mean the Angels wouldn’t have a great chance to make the postseason, especially with a few good additions to the rotation. 

Beyond 2020, nobody knows.

Look at the Red Sox as an example. WS winners one year and look built for long-term success, and then they’re slightly more than a .500 team the next year and they fired their GM.

Ok, so if he wants his best shot at a WS then he should've signed with the Angels?

[Angels_Fan]

Just now, m0nkey said:

Ok, so if he wants his best shot at a WS then he should've signed with the Angels?

If he wants his best shot at a WS for just 2020, he made the right choice...probably. But for 2021-2028? That’s not something he or anyone can know.

[jchalos89]

1 minute ago, Angels_Fan said:

He wants to win a WS. He can theoretically win one 9 years from now. He’s not the only player on the team (just one of 26). If the Yankees are pinning their hopes for winning on one player, as you suggest, then they’re be in trouble.

Well if Yankees dont win a chip in Cole's prime years, they might have an washed up arm taking 35M by the end of his contract. That's the risk Yanks took when offering that contract. Angels did the same and offered 300M/8yrs contract to him too. That's just what you do to beat other teams to get a rare superstar in this league.

Yes, he is only 1 of 26 players and in baseball, he alone cant win the WS. We know it better than anybody in the league since Angel fans has Mike Trout and 0 PS win with him. But looking at other 25 players in the team now, Yankees are way better than the Angels. That is just a fact and that isnt even close to contention. If Cole signed the Angels, expecting this team to be better than Yankees immediately, then that is when Cole (and Angels) pinning hopes of winning in 1 player (or 2 with Trout) given current squads.

Yankees has much better line up, starting rotation, bull pen than Angels and the only weakness for them was a top of rotation guy who they can give rock to in must win situations, and Gerrit Cole is exactly that. That's why guys are saying he made right decision if his reason was to win a chip.

Now, it is up to the Angels to make his choice wrong by winning it before the Yankees (and of course I want that to happen). At this point Angels arent as good as Yanks but they signed Rendon since Cole signed with Yanks, and Angels are also openly pursuing more FA starters and trades for more starters. We dont know if it will work out or not, just have to hope they get some guys that are good, and durable and then we are in the contention.

[Angels_Fan]

1 minute ago, jchalos89 said:

Well if Yankees dont win a chip in Cole's prime years, they might have an washed up arm taking 35M by the end of his contract. That's the risk Yanks took when offering that contract. Angels did the same and offered 300M/8yrs contract to him too. That's just what you do to beat other teams to get a rare superstar in this league.

Yes, he is only 1 of 26 players and in baseball, he alone cant win the WS. We know it better than anybody in the league since Angel fans has Mike Trout and 0 PS win with him. But looking at other 25 players in the team now, Yankees are way better than the Angels. That is just a fact and that isnt even close to contention. If Cole signed the Angels, expecting this team to be better than Yankees immediately, then that is when Cole (and Angels) pinning hopes of winning in 1 player (or 2 with Trout) given current squads.

Yankees has much better line up, starting rotation, bull pen than Angels and the only weakness for them was a top of rotation guy who they can give rock to in must win situations, and Gerrit Cole is exactly that. That's why guys are saying he made right decision if his reason was to win a chip.

Now, it is up to the Angels to make his choice wrong by winning it before the Yankees (and of course I want that to happen). At this point Angels arent as good as Yanks but they signed Rendon since Cole signed with Yanks, and Angels are also openly pursuing more FA starters and trades for more starters. We dont know if it will work out or not, just have to hope they get some guys that are good, and durable and then we are in the contention.

Yeah, nobody is disputing that the Yankees will in all likelihood be better than the Angels in 2020. But that’s just year one of a nine year contract.

[T.G.]

Mike Trout wants to win a World Series too.

Enough said.

 

[failos]

He can eat shit

[ScottT]

4 minutes ago, Angels_Fan said:

Yeah, nobody is disputing that the Yankees will in all likelihood be better than the Angels in 2020. But that’s just year one of a nine year contract.

Right now. I'd bet on the Yankees being better in 2021, too.  

While they haven't won a world series in ten years, they've been to the playoffs in most of them.  They are always going to spend. The Angels do so to a lesser and less consistent extent.  

Cole choosing the Yankees because he wants to win a world series or two makes a lot of sense.  They also offered another year.

[jchalos89]

2 minutes ago, Angels_Fan said:

Yeah, nobody is disputing that the Yankees will in all likelihood be better than the Angels in 2020. But that’s just year one of a nine year contract.

yes that is true. just 1 year out of 9. but there is no ML team that has most prospects, most flexible sal cap, the best squad right now, and smart front office that wont fk up in next 9 years at the same time so they can have best team now and will be the best for next 9 years.

so if cole wanted to take best chance to win a WS every season, he better sign 1 year deal with Yankees, and sign another 1 year deal with the team that looks to have the best chance in 2021, and sign another 1 year deal after that season, vice versa, and you know that isnt happening.

he was getting huge, long term contract from Yanks,Angels, or Dodgers and nobody predicts 8-9 years of future. that applies to every teams in the league, not just Junkies. 

like you said, at the point of his signing, Yankees has the best "chance" to win the chip and cole took that. all im saying is, his decision is right since he took the best chance at this point. you know chances arent guaranteed, Yanks can actually have like 25 guys going to DL next yr and have horrible season. who knows? what im saying is, chance wise, yankees top the Angels and cole is right about that

[Angels_Fan]

Just now, ScottT said:

Right now. I'd bet on the Yankees being better in 2021, too.  

While they haven't won a world series in ten years, they've been to the playoffs in most of them.  They are always going to spend. The Angels do so to a lesser and less consistent extent.  

Cole choosing the Yankees because he wants to win a world series or two makes a lot of sense.  They also offered another year.

Maybe, maybe not. But the Red Sox won 108 games in 2018 and looked destined to dominate for years to come, too. And then they played like a .500 team for a good portion of 2019 and fired their GM. 

A lot of things can go right or wrong in a very short period, let alone nine years. Teams can make signings, players can have break out years or decline, farm systems can change, etc. etc.

Only time will tell whether Cole truly made the right decision (hopefully he regrets it).

[Angels_Fan]

4 minutes ago, jchalos89 said:

yes that is true. just 1 year out of 9. but there is no ML team that has most prospects, most flexible sal cap, the best squad right now, and smart front office that wont fk up in next 9 years at the same time so they can have best team now and will be the best for next 9 years.

so if cole wanted to take best chance to win a WS every season, he better sign 1 year deal with Yankees, and sign another 1 year deal with the team that looks to have the best chance in 2021, and sign another 1 year deal after that season, vice versa, and you know that isnt happening.

he was getting huge, long term contract from Yanks,Angels, or Dodgers and nobody predicts 8-9 years of future. that applies to every teams in the league, not just Junkies. 

like you said, at the point of his signing, Yankees has the best "chance" to win the chip and cole took that. all im saying is, his decision is right since he took the best chance at this point. you know chances arent guaranteed, Yanks can actually have like 25 guys going to DL next yr and have horrible season. who knows? what im saying is, chance wise, yankees top the Angels and cole is right about that

For 2020, maybe. But you can’t definitively say anything about 2021 and beyond. So many things can change and fast.

[Halodays]

57 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

I don't get the hostility. Yes the Yankees today are much better than the Angels today. But that doesn't mean it'll continue to be that way. Angels could have a bright future if Eppler keeps making wise decisions and puts this team in a position to be better. Yankees won a lot more games last year than the Angels that's not an opinion, it's fact. Just be better tomorrow than you were yesterday Angels. Don't worry about every other team just worry about the Angels getting better we should be good to go. 

Because it's the Yankees.

[jchalos89]

3 minutes ago, Angels_Fan said:

Only time will tell whether Cole truly made the right decision (hopefully he regrets it).

Im in. I want to see Trout Rendon Ohtani back to back to back against Cole in ALCS, eliminating the Yankees

[Angels_Fan]

Just now, jchalos89 said:

Im in. I want to see Trout Rendon Ohtani back to back to back against Cole in ALCS, eliminating the Yankees

Let’s hope   

[m0nkey]

5 minutes ago, Angels_Fan said:

Maybe, maybe not. But the Red Sox won 108 games in 2018 and looked destined to dominate for years to come, too. And then they played like a .500 team for a good portion of 2019 and fired their GM. 

A lot of things can go right or wrong in a very short period, let alone nine years. Teams can make signings, players can have break out years or decline, farm systems can change, etc. etc.

Only time will tell whether Cole truly made the right decision (hopefully he regrets it).

He made the right decision.  It's $324 million.

[Duren, Duren]

Quite possibly all this could have played out differently if the Astros beat Washington. A few innings changing future history.

Especially in his dominant Cy Young season.

He would have his ring, and still be in a contented state of mind. That way he might have thought bigger picture and have more patience. The Angels aren't as close of the Yankees right now, but being part of the core for a contender in a few years may have been good enough.

In the end, money also was a factor if it was around at least a 30 million difference.  You can't believe the false humility from agents when they try to soothe hurt feelings of other teams and fans.

It would be ironic if it turns out game seven last season was as close as he ever gets. Or the Angels do it within this time frame. 

[Lou]

I want to see Trout-Rendon-Ohtani go back-to-back-to-back in ALCS while Cole watches from his couch 

[Angels_Fan]

2 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

He made the right decision.  It's $324 million.

Probably. I think the money and years was the number 1 factor for his decision.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

I hope Cole gets AIDS

 

1 hour ago, jchalos89 said:

Well it makes sense since Yankees are 103 win team with league's best bull pen and best offense. Only problem they had was they only had mediocre starters that post high 3s to 4 ERAs, and Cole joining there will immediately solve the problem, which makes the Yankees closest team to WS title next year.

Angels on the other hand, has trash starting pitching and mediocre offense. It's 70 win team with Mike Trout anyways. So basically all Angels could say was "We have Trout and warm weather here" while Yankees could say "We are in immediate contention if you join us."

I find it common sense that Cole chose Junkies over Angels at the point of his signing. I just hope Angels can find a way to build strong team around Trout and kick those Junkies ass in the Post Season. Trout,Rendon,Ohtani rocking Cole in ALCS game 7 will give me multiple O's for sure

If hes hanging with Junkies, hes definitely un one of the higher risk groups.

[ScottT]

20 minutes ago, Angels_Fan said:

Maybe, maybe not. But the Red Sox won 108 games in 2018 and looked destined to dominate for years to come, too.

I disagree with the dominate for years stuff.  That just doesnt happen.

The Yankees offered more. The Yankees are in a better position to win.  

[ScottT]

This reminds me of Ohtani and Mariners fans.... and most other big signings.  Fans have the runner up teams are bitter and hate on a player for no reason.

Fun?