Justin Upton for David Price?

[Stradling]

Just now, Lou said:

Boston won't want Upton 

Plus, that eats up $11M we have to spend this offseason

In my opinion it has less to do with that and more to do with Upton has a no trade clause and wants to be here.  That is probably the biggest issue with this entire thing.  

But to your point and piggy backing off of what they are talking about, when you look at annual payroll you would still go after Cole, and then you’d go after a #2 pitching (Odorizzi or whoever) and Price would be your 3rd starter for that $11 million.  

[Lou]

and we'd still need to pay  another outfielder. 

we'd still go after Cole, but we'd only have about $24M to spend this offseason.

[Docwaukee]

The more I think about it, the math just isn't there.  

Adell and Marsh are close to being ready, but both probably need another year before you hand them a full time job.  Maybe even 2 years.  You're already likely to have a platoon in RF with Goodwin for at least the first part of 2020.  So realistically, you're gonna have to spend about 8-10 mil on an OFer if you lose upton.  

That means the combined cost of Price plus an OFer is around 40m.  

Upton costs 21 mil in 2020.  A 19m pitcher is going to be better than price and Upton is likely better than an 8m OFer.  

The math gets a little better in 2021 but you better be sure that Marsh and Adell are both ready at that point or you're still hunting for another OFer.  Plus, at that point, David Price is 35.  

Let's say you could get a guy like Wheeler for 17m per for 4 yrs.  Just for the sake of the the math, you pay him 19m in year one, and 17m in yr 2

In years 1 and 2 you've got Upton and Wheeler for the same cost as Price plus some other OFer.  In year 3, the cost goes up, but you still have Wheeler at age 32 instead of price at age 36 and at that point, Upton can you your RHed DH.  By that third year, you'll know much better if Adell and Marsh are going to be able to handle a starting job.  

I'm with Lou on this one.  

[Lou]

11 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I'm with Lou on this one.  

[Second Base]

58 minutes ago, Lou said:

so you want to pay our #3 starter 3/$96M?

crazy 

3/34 for Price? Yeah.

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Second Base said:

3/34 for Price? Yeah.

keep reading

[Second Base]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

keep reading

I respect the difference of opinion.

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, Second Base said:

3/34 for Price? Yeah.

you'd have to replace Upton so it's not just 3/34 for Price.  

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

The way they are spinning it is they are only paying the difference between Upton and Price.  

Which is perfectly fine because otherwise we keep Upton no matter what. So the payroll increase is only the difference between Upton and Price, whereas another starter of his caliber is adding close to $20 million.

[Lou]

if we get Price, who will we add to pitch the second half of the season?

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Which is perfectly fine because otherwise we keep Upton no matter what. So the payroll increase is only the difference between Upton and Price, whereas another starter of his caliber is adding close to $20 million.

keep reading

[tdawg87]

Goodwin.

You keep reading.

[Lou]

right field?

[Second Base]

25 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

you'd have to replace Upton so it's not just 3/34 for Price.  

Not difficult. The defensive advantage that Adell/Marsh would offer can make this closer than you think. Base running value too. 

Shoot, you could re-up Calhoun for 5 million on a one year deal and recoup that value. 

I'm not saying Upton is bad, I'm just saying he's grown to become an increasingly one dimensional player and if we are assessing the based in WAR, it doesn't really favor one dimensional guys as much.

[Lou]

yeah, an injury-prone Price who pitched 24 innings in the second half of the season (7.88 era & 1.917 whip) would be ideal. 

[Docwaukee]

16 minutes ago, Lou said:

yeah, an injury-prone Price who pitched 24 innings in the second half of the season (7.88 era & 1.917 whip) would be ideal. 

people are down on Upton, but even a 3 WAR year from him could make a deal like this look very bad.  

[eligrba]

Whatever Price is earning, the Angels can do better. 

[AngelsFaninGA]

Lol that David Price contract is appalling. Boston should be forced to eat the rest of it, no bailing them out

[TroutCron]

Can any of you picture Upton playing left field in Fenway without laughing. The Red Sox are only trading for young controllable players, especially pitching. The thought of trading Upton for another bad contract is a good one but not with the Red Sox. 

[Fish Oil]

I wouldn't say no to this trade. I would say HELL NO.

We need hitters, so lets trade one of our best for a crappy reliever making 32M a year? Jeebers.

[ettin]

5 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Goodwin.

You keep reading.

I don't know why I am laughing so hard at this.

[kevinb]

Yes I would. I think Price would do much better in a lower pressure situation not in Boston. 

[ukyah]

11 hours ago, RBM said:

Yes, but two concerns. 

1. Who plays LF in 2020? Marsh is not ready.  

2. We would be picking up an additional $24 M over the next 3 years. I doubt the Red Sox would pick up any of that.

why is marsh not ready? he's destroying the AFL.

[ukyah]

1 minute ago, RBM said:

Why do you think he is MLB ready?

i'll answer this way, which will capture the angel plans and many of their fans, if not you. the AFL is the last proving ground for a big time prospect before the majors. there is no higher test. adell and marsh are killing the AFL this year, and marsh is outperforming adell head to head. it's well known that the angels are planning on adell for 2020 in right field. so, the question is if adell is ready, then why isn't marsh?

[ukyah]

1 minute ago, RBM said:

How many games did he play with SLC last year?

just went right over my answer to you. i'm not dismissing your opinion. i gave you an answer. i'll do the question routine again. how many prospects have skipped AAA?